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To: rockrr
But the obvious response is, "so what"? Lately the pubbies have gotten a raw deal on a number of fronts, notably Øbamacare but that shouldn't mean that we blow up the country.

Nice histrionics. The country wasn't "blown up" in 1861, at least, not until Lincoln got involved. The South could have separated peacefully had Lincoln allowed it.

The South seceded from the Union as folks like Alexander Hamilton and John Jay, two of the authors of the Federalist Papers, agreed that they could do under the Constitution. Remember "the powers of government may be reassumed by the people whensoever it shall become necessary to their happiness"? The people of the individual states were the ones who could reassume governance; the whole people of the United States couldn't "reassume" something they never had.

The remaining Union after secession had about as many people as the entire Union had in 1850, and it was able to mount a huge war effort for four years. So much for being blown up.

Good point though about the pubbies and Obamacare. Seriously.

Roberts certainly punted on 2nd down. I still hold out hope that something can be done to stop it entirely or gut significant parts of it. Otherwise, an old coot like me will probably have to go overseas for private treatment if and when I have major health issues in the future.

326 posted on 04/03/2013 2:21:41 PM PDT by rustbucket
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To: rustbucket
Histrionics? Hardly. You set that pace and I could never hope to keep up.

The South seceded from the Union as folks like Alexander Hamilton and John Jay, two of the authors of the Federalist Papers, agreed that they could do under the Constitution.

Actually, no they didn't. They did it the way they figured they could do it and defied the union to stop them.

Remember "the powers of government may be reassumed by the people whensoever it shall become necessary to their happiness"?

Sure I do, but the belief in the god-given right to rebellion carried with it a price. It was never meant as carte blanche to do whatever you feel like at any time or for any reason (or no reason at all). And it also carried with it the immutable law of consequence. If the fire-eaters were serious about peaceful separation they could have attempted it instead of the belligerent unilateral rebellion they tried.

Who knows - it might have worked out better for them as well>

336 posted on 04/03/2013 7:07:29 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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