Posted on 03/19/2013 7:10:41 AM PDT by Kaslin
Frankly, I only care what happens to Christians in that part of the world, and Iraq is a far more cruel and inhumane country from their perspective.
Looking at Congress, the courts and the Obama administration, ask yourself.
Did the Founding Fathers “finish the job”?
When leaving the Constitutional Convention of 1787, Ben Franklin was asked by a lady, ““Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy”
He replied, “A Republic, if you can keep it.”
Ask the Kurds in the North of Iraq, did we finish the job?
If you ask the residents of inner city Detroit, South Central LA, Santa Barbara, rural Ohio, small town Wyoming, a Florida retirement community or the base housing at Camp Lejeune if what the Founding Fathers did was worth it, you would get a number of differing answers.
History is rife with heirs to freedom and/or fortune who have squandered it.
When George W. Bush came into office, he spoke against “nation building”, but after the Iraq War, that’s exactly what we got bogged down in. We should’ve collected war reparations and let Iraq figure out how to recover. It would have amounted to the same results we have today and we wouldn’t have lost as many troops and so much money.
Would’ve helped if we’d conducted the war correctly. Our mistake was deciding world opinion was more important than our own well-being.
No argument there, and I have posted this many times....
Democrat Quotes on Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction
“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.”
—President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
—President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
“Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.”
—Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”
—Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
— Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998
“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
“Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.”
— Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
“There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.”
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
— Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001
“We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them.”
— Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
— Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”
— Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”
— Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons...”
— Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”
— Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.”
— Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
“He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do”
— Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
— Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.”
— Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real...”
— Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
Buchanan would be unable to point his finger and say “Nyaah, nyaah!” if the traitor rats had not succeeded in their goals of delegitimizing the war effort, handicapping our forces in theatre and destroying the post-war abilities of American oil companies to do business in Iraq. These points are important, and are evidence of outright treason, yet Buchanan’s essay is meaningless without them. His thesis rests on the actions of others unmentioned.
It has long been settled that WMD were indeed found in Iraq. Massive quantities of items were shipped out before the opening offensive, plenty of dumps of nerve toxins were uncovered (and labeled as ‘pesticide’) and tons of yellowcake were removed. But, the rats and their Media chorus repeat that “No WMD was found! Bush lied!” Through this information control, the first of the rats objectives were secured.
Once the Iraqi Army was neutralized and the chain of command reduced, effective resistance pretty much died off. That is, until semi-organized terror elements entered the fray and Iranian Revolutionary Guards and Iranian logistical support began. IEDs of advanced design, shaped charges of very sophisticated design began to be fielded. Actions to interdict this logistical supply were forbidden, and many Americans and many, many Iraqis died due to this inaction. The second of the rats objectives were secured: A constant stream of casualties to parade through their Media chorus every evening, with no end in sight.
In the aftermath of the war, bids were opened up for development of Iraqi oil, of which there was plenty. The rats effectively forbid American companies to enter bids for the development contracts, effectively turning the economy of the Iraqis to China and other unfriendly powers. The last portion of the rat strategy was acheived: a hostile nation they could point to as a reason to never use American power.
Disgusting.
I’m sure that war will start paying for itself any day now.
We went to war because someone dared insult George Bush Sr. He had a personal hatred for Sadam and Noreiga. I believe we went to war because Bush needed to smash something. Bush Sr. showed his feelings toward these two men and I was shocked at how personal it became to him. Not a healthy way to lead a country.
I felt so proud, and thought here we go again – America bringing freedom to the oppressed.
I was so wrong. Islam and liberty are not compatible. There will be no peace or progress in the Middle East until the EVIL of Islam is eradicated.
Also the events in Syria are starting to us where Saddam’s chemical weapons went.
And Saddam kicking the inspectors out had nothing to do with it? riiight.
WWII was worth it. Since then, not one declared war, just misguided adventures in policing, nation building and ludicrous rules of engagement, wasting our troops and treasure at the bidding of Globalists.
I played a small part in the Vietnam fiasco - color me appropriately jaded, but don’t “thank me for my service” - if I served anybody at all, it was not you, nor this country, but the dark powers that have now taken our country to its ruin.
You remember the neocons---Bush installed them in the Officer of Special Ops where they connived (using our tax dollars) to get the US to invade Iraq. Puke-duped Bush actually believed the pukeneos when they said said that would bring peace.
The Middle East is in turmoil 10 years after the pukeneos duped Bush into invading Iraq. A horrendous foreign policy decision devised by the pukeneos on the backs of the 2300 killed on 9/11.
Let's be clear---Iraq's in the Mideast---a place the pukeneos said was "thirsting" for American-style democracy.
(waiting for hysterical laughter to die down)
Same place now known as a terrorist hellhole where trillions of US tax dollars and rivers of young blood were shed. <><> Where the blood-thirsty Muslim Brotherhood has a stranglehold. <><> Where the WSJ reported neocon godfather, Richard Perle, is starting an oil company with his war profiteering billions (your tax dollars at work).
It took the US about a decade to get out of Iraq....as the globe erupted into Mideast-centered terrorism.....and hate-filled Muslims set sail for America.
But not to worry---at the serene Four Seasons lounge, where the champagne flows, the Iraq War is still seen as a really, really good idea......and opposition to Pat Buchananis the strongest.
Cheers.
Mmmmm......sure would like to be a fly on the wall at the Four Seasons---where the puke elite meet downtrodden GOP'ers---- over chilled Cristal, imported room temp Brie and water crackers.
Rubio just hired a puke for his campaign team. Looks like there's gonna be A LOT MORE puke-invasions and land wars since the pukes duped Bush into invading Iran, now that the entire 100 million-strong Muslim world is aflame with hatred for the US, Americans, and Christians.
I guess the pukes will have to use darts and a Mideast map to decide which country they want the US to invade next (cackle).
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REFERENCE On the eve of the invasion of Iraq, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee heard testimony from Marine Corps Gen Anthony Zinni---and other millitary experts---that the architects of the Iraq invasion were totally ill-prepared for a post-combat occupation. The military experts ridiculed administration claims that rebuilding could be achieved within two years, that the weapons of mass destruction would be destroyed-------and that a vibrant new political and economic system would emerge. Ten years later, Iraq---and the rest of the Mideast----has yet to create a viable political and economic system....a system that is totally incompatible w/ their archaic Islamicist thinking.
Iraq was payback by Dubya for Sadaam Hussein’s attempt to assasinate Bush 41.
Basically Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11 attackss - 9/11 was just used as an excuse.
It was not only a mistake to invade Iraq - it was poorly conceived and executed at high levels.
In the almost 12 years since 9/11, under republican and democrat presidents, we have spent trillions of dollars, cost the lives of thousands of our finest military men and women, and made the mid-east more militantly muslim and more anti-American.
Who says bi-patisanship is dead?
I agree.
Bush and Blair were wrong about Islam; Bush thinking it was a "religion of peace" and Tony Blair thinking the Muslim problem was about "grievances". Those two numbskulls have set us Infidels back about 5-10 years in facing up to Islam, and it's goals. To this day we are helping the Muslims spread their agenda around the world,by toppling secular dictators and having them replaced by fundamental Muslims.
IMHO the best solution in Iraq would have been to allow the Kurds to establish their own country, and leave sufficient weaponry there to help them out.
Then leave, and let the Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites battle it out for territory.
The way Iraq was handled and ended up, I would say it was not worth the effort on our part, caused by our ignorance of Islam, and our worrying about the opinions of the UN and countries, many of who hate us anyway. -tom
Not without having taken the saudis and iranians down first.
The second Iraq war wouldn’t have been necessary if we had finished the first one back during the first Bush presidency.
It was no less than Colin Powell who put the kibosh on that one. Norman Schwarzkopf wanted to keep going, perhaps all the way to Baghdad, but Powell argued to President G.H.W. Bush that they stop prematurely. Schwarzkopf later commented that Powell “had no stomach” for war.
After the World Trade Center attack, Bush II probably reckoned he had to do _something_ as a show of force against “terrorism”, and Afghanistan wasn’t going to be “enough”. So, we got “Iraq II”.
I foresaw years ago that toppling both regimes would really gain little in the true struggle in which we are engaged. It should be obvious now that our efforts there were little more than wasted, particularly in Afghanistan (which will be back under taliban control before too long). All they had to do was “wait us out” until we just got tired of being there.
The problem with the struggle with islam is that we are not involved in a war with any existing national “government”, per se. Our struggle is with _something else_. Most here know what the “something else” actually is. Most leaders of The West are desparate to deny this truth.
Also, removing any particular individual (or more than one) from power will do little to change things — because the actual leader of the forces against which we are aligned has been dead for 1,400 years. Yet he still controls more than a billion of his “soldiers” through his “operational field manual” — the quran.
This is why the other side is winning.
It’s also why it will continue to win, so long as The West refuses to confront the realities before us….
What strange world are you living in?
We spent trillions in American treasure, costing thousands of American lives, and we didn't even get cheap gas out of the deal..
A decade later, the U.S. is broke, economy in shambles, borders still open and lawless and the govenrment is more oppressive and more controlling than ever.
In fact, while all this was going on, Bush left our borders wide open and in fact allowed in more Muslims AFTER 911, than the previous two decades....During war time yet.
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