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To: Kaslin

It seems to be the new leftist meme....everyone that has remotely conservative beliefs is attacked as a racist. I got into a debate over the weekend on Facebook with some alleged Republicans. The topic was how does the GOP make inroads in the Hispanic community. Two of the other participants were an American of Mexican descent and an African American attorney who is a former Senate aide. I myself am American of 100% Mexican descent. The moment I used the term “illegal aliens” in regards to amnesty, I was attacked as “racist, ignorant and trying to dehumanize people”. When I pointed out that it was merely a descriptor of legal fact, I was again attacked as racist and ignorant. I weep for the country, the left seems to be winning everywhere, even in our own erstwhile party...


9 posted on 02/14/2013 7:42:42 PM PST by Crapgame (What should be taught in our schools? American Exceptionalism, not cultural Marxism...)
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To: Crapgame

“I weep for the country, the left seems to be winning everywhere, even in our own erstwhile party...”

It was over when “equality” stopped including white/Asian men in regards to affirmative action. People can debate the constitutionality of various issues, but to have such government-sanctioned discrimination allowed to stand (in fact, is now demanded/expected), and somehow men who can’t earn a living or raise a family are supposed to care about Benghazi, North Korea, or even the neighboring county.

Oh well; let every freak, mutant, and mental patient that wants to put on a uniform to fight the leftist crusade against Islam be my guest. They certainly aren’t representing me or mine, and I’m completely apathetic as to what happens to them. Radical Islam is no more a threat to me than the radical communists that have seized our country.


11 posted on 02/14/2013 8:03:35 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Crapgame; Kaslin; kearnyirish2; backwoods-engineer
I weep for the country, the left seems to be winning everywhere, even in our own erstwhile party...

I look at it using very simple optics. Maybe too simple, but I believe there is some truth to how I look at it. The Liberal Left has been astoundingly effective in its approach, which has basically been utilizing not just the news media but also the entertainment industry to create what I call 'cultural thought' that enhances their political ideology. For example, watch virtually any TV show, be it a funny sitcom, a teen-targeted show, or a serious detective show. There are certain aspects and facets that are espoused that are quite positive for the liberal agenda. For instance, homosexuality is shown as perfectly normal, with anyone against it painted as the villain. Liberal progressive thought it shown as enlightened, while conservative traditional values are shown as nascent indicators of potential danger from that character. It may seem quite basic, but these precepts are shown constantly and over time they will have an impact. Already within the 35 and younger age group homosexuality is totally accepted, and I was telling someone that in another decade gun control will similarly be accepted.

The Left has been amazingly good at structuring the narrative, and this has been greatly beneficial to them, and bodes a likelihood of continuing to yield returns for them going forward.

What about the Right?

Woefully inefficient. I gave an example late last week where I compared the Right to the last 50 players of board Dungeons and Dragons games. Those 50 are really good, but they are not bringing in any new players, which is tricky in a world that shifted to video games en masse two decades ago. What do I mean by this? Well, to me (an important caveat since this is solely my opinion) the Right seems to be more of a closed-loop system. A closed-loop where we form very strong bonds with each other, feeding each other, but not having external growth. If you look at talk radio it is virtually geared 100% towards serving a conservative audience (not even Republicans - Conservatives). Our websites. The (very) few TV shows that we can claim. It is all inward looking, and while it makes for strong(er) conservatives it is basically not bringing in growth. Add to this the fact that the Right lets the Left structure the narrative, and this is why young people see Conservatism as an obsolete joke. Ask your kids in highschool - unless they are homeschooled they will tell you how certain Conservative precepts are viewed.

What about the Left? Well, their strategy is very outward looking. They use the news media and the entertainment industry to sell their ideologies (not necessarily themselves - their ideology) 24/7. And it works! Case in point - look at me. I am a Kenyan male, born and bred in Kenya apart from a 7 year (to the day) stint in the US for college and work before I decided to go back home to make my fortune. However, from the time I could comprehend stuff I was exposed to American culture via television and movies. In many ways, my thinking process is totally American. That is group/cultural thought, and the spread of democracy around the world (and I kid you not) had some of its greatest efficacy simply by the dissemination of American TV, radio and movie programming around the globe. Now, imagine this tool being used to propagate liberal thought within America. When it comes to sex, homosexuality, the role of government, the 'evils' of conservatism, .....gun control .....! It is an effective tool, and one that the Right is totally clueless about.

Fact - Rush is great, but he will never bring in ONE VOTER who would not have voted for a Republican (or Conservative Independent) anyways. Not one. As for the Liberals - there is a reason Obama was having a number of his ads coming during programming aimed at late teens/early twenties.

Coming back to this thread - MSNBC, and other programming, is hitting out on the NRA. It seems silly. It looks stupid. To closed-loop systems like FR where we can see beyond the surface. However, the Left will keep using their machinery to push the issue, and they will use TV shows where you will see characters similar to what the average person considers NRA members to be like. FR, Rush, Coulter (is she still conservative btw or did her glamor fail and people can see who she really is), et al will keep saying how the Left is wasting time on useless methodologies. Then, fifteen years from now, the NRA will be defunct.

Yes, I may be talking crap, but do yourselves a favor and read on how the KKK was destroyed. How the Feds had informants within, and their meetings would be reported, and the KKK would get mocked and ridiculed in shows (like the Superman radio show), and how the KKK went from a huge mass of idiots into a numbers that are basically less than a shadow of where they were in the 20s. That is one of the most effective uses of media for targeted destruction.

Or go talk to some black NRA members at the next meet, and ask them what the perception of the NRA is. No black members, no problem. Go ask your teenage son or daughter what the perception of the NRA is. If not by them (since you must have raised them right) by their peers.

Also think of this - Rubio and the water incident. Yes, I know some Conservative media are mocking the Left for making a mountain out of the man taking a simple sip of water. But the Left is not being stupid. It is simply using its tried and tested method ...constant percolation of ideas, in this case that somehow Rubio is flawed because he drank water during his speech. Silly statement to make, but they will continuously make it, and it may work if the Right lets them construct such a narrative. Many people here think the Left is stupid. It is not. It is actually very patient, very intelligent, and has very well constructed plans. The voters are the ones who are not intelligent, but the Left machinery? Stupid is the last think they can be described as.

The Right needs to be outward looking. Inward looking closed-loop systems are simply a passive way towards obsolesence and extinction. Like a wooly mammoth taking a tarpit bath, or trying to get high off carbon monoxide. Closed-loop systems that make us feel nice as we yap how stupid the Left is. Conservative precepts can save the US, but they need to be propagated.

16 posted on 02/14/2013 8:38:23 PM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Crapgame
It seems to be the new leftist meme....everyone that has remotely conservative beliefs is attacked as a racist.

This is straight-up abuse of belief, and the deliberate withdrawal of toleration and civility.

I think the reason is, Obama has passed the word, to tiger down and destroy the Right. Pressed as Solzhenitsyn described, this will end up in concentration camps and death camps.

25 posted on 02/15/2013 3:56:16 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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