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To: donmeaker

“States were not permitted to enforce procedures that interfere with such crimes.”

So- now you’re complaining about an absence of States Rights? That’s rich.

“It always amused me that neo-confederates complain about Lincoln’s restrictions on habeas corpus.”

Well of course. What else is a neo-Yankee going to do but affect an amused condescension? After all jailing northern political opponents without trial and shutting down the opposition press by force is hard to defend.

“Slavery was getting worse over time. Slave owners of 1776 had much for which to answer. Those of 1860 had much more for which to answer.”

And here we have an attempt at justifying the neo-Yankee double standard regarding the slave owning of the Founders versus the slave owning of 80 years later.

Of course it conveniently ignores the standard argument that slavery is in itself a moral evil; instead we get this relativistic judgement that 1860s slavery was a moral evil deserving death and destruction whereas Founding era slavery was, well, you know, somehow less.

This allows the modern neo-Yankee to justify a brutal war against slave owning Americans in 1860, while conveniently trying to maintain a claim on the Founders as well. How’s that for consistency?


213 posted on 02/24/2013 3:44:42 PM PST by Pelham (Marco Rubio. for Amnesty, Spanish, and Karl Rove.)
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To: Pelham

That 1860 slavery deserved murder is your straw man. It was Jeff Davis that started the war. It was the insurrection and war that he started that justified the killing.

The US captured Jeff Davis, and could have killed him, but didn’t. RE Lee could have been killed, but didn’t. US terms to the insurrectionists were very generous.

Perhaps too generous. Mosby in particular should have suffered more than he did.


215 posted on 02/24/2013 4:42:41 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Pelham

Note how the slave power used ‘states rights’ as a term of art.

States rights for them meant people from Virginia could go to NY, and the state laws of NY were not allowed to have effect.

If you think that is a proper use of states rights, you may be a supporter of the slave power.

By contrast, NY teachers were permitted to teach students how to read and write. If they went to another state and did that, states rights meant that they would not be permitted to do it if the state they went to forbade it.

See how that works? States rights means as interpreted by the slave power means the slave power wins, and anyone opposed to the slave power loses.

If you think that is fair, then you might be a neo-confederate.


216 posted on 02/24/2013 4:51:04 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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