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Army leaders vow 'gender-neutral' standards for women in combat
al.com ^ | January 29, 2013 | Leada Gore

Posted on 01/29/2013 7:38:09 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

As military officials formulate plans to open combat positions to women, the Commander of the Army's Training and Doctrine Command is vowing any changes in job requirements will be handled fairly.

"Soldiers - both men and women - want fair and meaningful standards" Gen. Robert W. Cone said. "I think that fairness is very important in a values-based organization like our Army."

Last week, Secretary of State Leon Panetta and Army Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, announced the end of the 1994 policy that prohibited women from serving in combat positions below a brigade level. At that time, Panetta said each branch of the military will examine requirements for positions and provide information by May 16 if they feel some jobs should remain off limits to women. Full implementation is due by 2016.

The vast majority of the newly opened positions will be in the Army. As of September, 418 of the Army's 438 military occupational specialties, known as MOSs, were open to women. The remaining positions are now being examined to determine if they will be opened.

Cone said the Army will be "looking at knowledge, skills and attributes of soldiers and get the best match in specialties (now restricted) like infantry, armor, field artillery and engineers."

One of the main areas of examination will be physical requirements.

"Soldiers don't want to see (that) degraded," Cone said.

Cone said each requirements for each position will be examined, such as information on how much infantry soldiers are required to lift and carry and for how long. Once that information is complete, Cone said scientists will develop physical tests to validate those requirements.

He added that TRADOC is also examining armies in countries such as Iraq and Canada, where women already serve in combat roles.

In comments made shortly after the change was announced, Dempsey echoed Cone's statements about fairness and training.

"Some fear that this decision will lower standards in our military. That is simply not the case. The services will carefully examine current standards to ensure we have them right, taking into consideration lessons learned from a decade of war and changes in equipment, tactics and technology. We will study each closed occupational field or unit to determine where women are able to serve," he said.

"Let me be clear: The standards will be gender-neutral -- the same for men and women. The burden of proof used to be 'why should a woman serve in a particular specialty?'" Dempsey added. "Now, it's 'why shouldn't a woman serve in a particular specialty?'"


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To: Tailgunner Joe
"Let me be clear: The standards will be gender-neutral -- the same for men and women. The burden of proof used to be 'why should a woman serve in a particular specialty?'" Dempsey added. "Now, it's 'why shouldn't a woman serve in a particular specialty?'"

Gender neutral = lower standards for all members. Great! The feminization of our Military has begun. How long before we have a military equivalent to France's???

21 posted on 01/29/2013 8:08:41 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

As long as their packs are the same weight and they take their turn humping the .60 cal.


22 posted on 01/29/2013 8:11:25 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Soylent Green is Boomers)
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To: Red Steel

winnah winnah chicken dinnah.

I remember during rugby practice one time the women’s varsity politely asked the men’s freshman team to scrimmage so they could “up their game”. The scrimmage was called after 5 minutes due to the men, playing at 3/4 speed, runing over the women. Both sides realized it was a pointless exercise, not repeated.


23 posted on 01/29/2013 8:12:52 PM PST by redlegplanner ( No Representation without Taxation)
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To: animal172

The nail has been struck squarely on the head.
__________________________________________________________

Yep! Straight into the cranium. America.....folks......is DEAD.

She was a good country while she lasted, tho, and I loved her dearly. Had great hope for my children.

Be ready to pay up....and accept whatever our elite masters want from us.


24 posted on 01/29/2013 8:15:22 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Does that mean the women will have to walk point?

Yep, if they're cherries.

No double entendre intended.

5.56mm

25 posted on 01/29/2013 8:15:44 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Couldn’t resist:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:YouveComeALongWayBaby2.jpg


26 posted on 01/29/2013 8:16:40 PM PST by Bronzy
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To: Tailgunner Joe

First screening test using a live grenade:

Can the women candidates throw a hand grenade far enough to not be killed or wounded by the grenade?


27 posted on 01/29/2013 8:22:18 PM PST by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

So violence against women is values based? And they cried that the republicans were waging war on women, butdems are putting them women in war and hiding behind them.


28 posted on 01/29/2013 8:22:48 PM PST by DaveyB (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. -John Adams)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

the worst part of this horrendous decision is this....if a woman is allowed to be given a combat role, then she can, and will be ordered into one.....she, like every male in the military, will have to accept whatever position that she is ordered to fulfill.BAD IDEA.....of all the inane things coming out of the Obama administration, this is, by far, the worst.


29 posted on 01/29/2013 8:23:21 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Somebody mentioned in the past the Israelis tried combat roles for the gals
years ago and dropped it. When the Arabs captured one they would torture
her into screaming and the Israeli grunts went nuts and against orders tried
to save them. Men, other than moslem males that is, are hard wired that
way. The ambushes set up by the Arabs slaughtered them.
30 posted on 01/29/2013 8:26:06 PM PST by QT3.14 (Political Correctness: Intellectual AIDS - It sickens and kills everything it touches ~ Wm. Lind)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Forgive me but our military leaders running the army talk like little PC pussies.


31 posted on 01/29/2013 8:28:43 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

With all that is going on, I am SO thankful that being in the armed forces is still voluntary.


32 posted on 01/29/2013 8:29:34 PM PST by Rocky Mountain Wild Turkey ("I have an open mind ... just not so open that my brain falls out onto the floor!!")
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To: redlegplanner

Someone once said, when a country sends their wives and daughters to fight its war it will soon have neither. ...Or something like that.


33 posted on 01/29/2013 8:36:48 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Gender neutral. Does that mean every infantryman will be required to lift a box of girl scout cookies?


34 posted on 01/29/2013 8:40:11 PM PST by Terry Mross (How long does America have?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Translation from lawyer speak. “All existing standards will be replaced with standards that both sexes can perform. Existing standards are seen as favoring males”


35 posted on 01/29/2013 8:40:33 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Calamari

They will have to make gender neutral grenades.


36 posted on 01/29/2013 8:41:11 PM PST by USAF80
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“I think that fairness is very important in a values-based organization like our Army.”

Hey general dumbsh!t. Yeah YOU. Life isn’t fair. Neither is combat. Values don’t live between a soldier’s legs.

You dumbkopf’s have just doomed a lot of MALE soldiers to unnecessary deaths in order to butt snorkel owebama and the rest of his metrosexual commie rat b@stards!

Morons!


37 posted on 01/29/2013 8:41:22 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Right. In other words they will determine that the current standards are no longer necessary and they will lower them so that women will be able to qualify.

Hate to break it to you, mate, but you are decades too late for that particular worry. Even as far back as the seventies some muck-sucking politico(s) mandated a defined percentage of females in the military. To meet the ordered percentages, standards were lowered across the board by any means necessary, and near as can be determined that has not changed.

38 posted on 01/29/2013 8:41:43 PM PST by Utilizer (What does not kill you... -can sometimes damage you QUITE severely.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

An Army of none.


39 posted on 01/29/2013 8:42:00 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Terry Mross

They just change the regulations. It’s funny to see four women carrying a stretcher. Mind you this is just in training exercises without full gear and bullets flying.


40 posted on 01/29/2013 8:45:55 PM PST by USAF80
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