To: Sherman Logan; NYer; marshmallow; Mrs. Don-o
We have the technology to do virgin births today. In fact, this may have already been done.
Just do a surrogate pregnancy in a woman who has not had intercourse with a man. [ . . . ]
I think you're the one confused about what virginity means.
It means a woman who has not had intercourse with a man.
I know what virginity is, but the discussion is about the Virgin Birth:
Virgin has to do with something remaining intact. The miracle of the Virgin Virth has to do not only with the Conceptionof Our Lord, but also that the mother remained intact during and after the birth. St. Augustine teaches this doctrine, that Our Lord passed through Our Lady like light through a pane of glass. Earlier known references to this go at least to the second century.
From "Modern Catholic Dictionary" (John A. Hardon)
Virginity of Mary. The revealed dogma that the Mother of Jesus conceived without carnal intercourse, gave birth to Christ without injury to her virginity"
So, even if conception took place without carnal intercourse, the delivery , either natural or through C-section, would break the virginity. The surrogate pregnancy still requires physical violation of the mother's womb by means of a physical instrument, and would not count, even in no actual breakage occurred.
You may not agree with the dogma, but the Virgin Birth, at least for Catholics, always includes the birth canal remaining intact through delivery. It NEVER comes up with people or animals, so it is not used in describing anybody else.
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01/01/2013 4:08:00 PM PST by
Dr. Sivana
("C'est la vie" say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell. -- Chuck Berry)
To: Dr. Sivana
Well, your definition of the Virgin Birth differs significantly from mine.
To my mind the only really relevant point is that Jesus had no human father. Once the pregnancy initiated there was no particular reason for the effects on Mary’s body to be any different from those for any other pregnant woman. Though one can assume she had the best prenatal care in history.
I realize your mileage varies.
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