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To: rollo tomasi; LibLieSlayer
I hate to bring racial politics into the equation, however, it is a truism of modern American reality.

Of the active duty and retired military that I interact with on a very regular basis, it was African-American military members who supported him. Period. My personal experience is that his support among white officers and enlisted is almost nonexistent.

This is also reflected in a very disturbing trend from the 2012 election. Self-identified "Black Protestants" voted for Obama at the 95% rate.

That, to me, is incredible.

Christ told us that by their fruits, we would know them. Obama is NOT a Christian by any stretch of the imagination. I believe that any black Christian who supported Obama either is being disobedient to Christ, or is not a real Christian (i.e. accepted Christ as their personal savior and is redeemed by Grace).

I know that sounds harsh, but it is what I hold to be the truth.

103 posted on 12/31/2012 1:18:07 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
The truth is the truth... when 97% of blacks voted for obama... they damned their race as racist hatemongers.

LLS

104 posted on 12/31/2012 1:20:33 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: SkyPilot
Yes, a lot was based on how dark the pigment was between Romney and Obama.
110 posted on 12/31/2012 8:17:19 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: SkyPilot; napscoordinator; Arrowhead1952; Diamond
103 posted on Mon Dec 31 2012 15:18:07 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time) by SkyPilot: “Of the active duty and retired military that I interact with on a very regular basis, it was African-American military members who supported him. Period. My personal experience is that his support among white officers and enlisted is almost nonexistent.”

I am not saying this about you, Skypilot, but I do believe lots of Freepers are naive about the degree of conservatism in the military. I'm pinging a couple of Freepers who I think might have more insight than I do, and I'd like to hear their comments. (Diamond, you're getting pinged based on your PCA connections — I thought my comments about young evangelicals coming back to cause problems in their churches after going to elite colleges might resonate with you, given current problems in the PCA.)

Skypilot, I'm not disagreeing with your point in general, but there are important exceptions among the career military officers, especially those who have many generations of military service in which they were taught not to be “political.”

I'm thinking right now of several white officers at the O-5 level and above who, if it were not for their uniforms, would be easily confused for the typical graduate of Ivy League masters degree programs — degrees which they hold in addition to their Army War College degrees or other masters degrees. When the military sends young officers to graduate school, sometimes their civilian graduate school education has a bad effect on them. A person who is raised in a traditional conservative family, goes to an ROTC program at a fairly conservative civilian school or a military academy, serves several years in uniform, and then goes to Columbia or Harvard or Yale is not necessarily well-equipped to argue back with a liberal professor. Teaching military personnel to question authority is not necessarily the highest priority apart from extreme situations of illegal orders.

(Side point: this isn't just a problem in the military. I see the same problem in conservative Christian circles as well. Far too many young Christians get sent off to Ivy League schools by parents who have left them woefully unprepared in the key skills of how to argue respectfully with a person in authority. I personally know far too many graduates of Ivy League colleges who have either left the church, or worse yet, have come back home and started causing problems in their evangelical churches.)

I can also think of some E-8s and E-9s in that category, though senior enlisted Democrats are a lot rarer than senior officer Democrats.

The good thing is that of the people I know who are left-of-center in senior military positions, nearly all have a core ideology which can be described as a Wilsonian “make the world safe for democracy” model. That is not all bad; at least they are strongly pro-American and believe America has something to offer the world. They are realistic enough to understand that good intentions, if not backed up by force, are irrelevant. They tend to like Hillary Clinton a lot more than Barack Obama because they believe, and believe with good reason, that while Obama is largely ignorant about the military, Hillary Clinton's core ideology of feminism is virulently hostile to the Islamofascist attacks on women's rights and she wants to see a liberal version of “Americanism” spread throughout the Third World. People have degrees of badness, and Obama is considerably worse than a lot of other Democrats.

None of them men I'm thinking of would be known to the vast majority of Freepers. They're not upper-level Pentagon officials; they are senior officers responsible more for implementing than for creating policies, or retired military personnel who now work in civil service. But to cite a name which will be known, men like Gen. Wesley Clark, a longtime friend of the Clintons, are not unique at the upper levels of the Armed Forces.

On the other hand, most black conservatives I know fall into one or more of the following three categories, and often all three:

1) conservative Christians who can't tolerate homosexuality or abortion,
2) owners of small businesses, or
3) military veterans.

The bottom line is we can't assume the military is uniformly conservative. It is not. It is, however, predominantly conservative, and that is a good thing.

113 posted on 01/01/2013 11:29:56 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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