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If you could, you'd try it. I mean, really try it. Once you try it, and you realize how unnecessarily you were complicating your life, how much the world makes sense all by itself, I think you'd run with it.

But maybe not. I'm a little more careful about encouraging people to think for themselves since I noticed the number of Christians who admit that without God they have no sense of right and wrong, and no reason not to turn serial killer, etc...

If you could, you'd try it. I mean, really try it. Once you try it, and you realize how unnecessarily you were complicating your life, how much the world makes sense all by itself, I think you'd run with it.

I can't imagine why I would want to. From my point of view, you're asking me to reject the colors I see and accept a world of only black and white. The colors may complicate the world (they make clothing more expensive, for example) but they are real and they add a dimension to live I would not willingly reject. But it is only my point of view that a supernatural world is more real than a natural one. I'm willing to engage with you if you are willing to engage with me. But I am asking you to explain yourself, not just assume the superiority of your argument.

But maybe not. I'm a little more careful about encouraging people to think for themselves since I noticed the number of Christians who admit that without God they have no sense of right and wrong, and no reason not to turn serial killer, etc...

Perhaps you would do better to accept each person as an individual and not start off with your prejudices. You don't know whether I have ever had a naturalistic view of the world. And I find your reduction of the Christian argument, both in your replies to me and to others, simplistic and absurd. It surprises me that you would satisfy yourself with that understanding of something you reject.

P.S. I have heard many Christians say to unbelievers, "If you would just try Jesus you would understand." I know some have come to Him that way, but I reject that as a primary approach to discussion. I would expect you to reject it, also. Do you find it is ever successful?

the number of Christians who admit that without God they have no sense of right and wrong, and no reason not to turn serial killer, etc...

OK--so explain right and wrong without God. Explain whyright is right and wrong is wrong.

Explain, for example, why killing the woman who is sleeping with your husband is wrong, when (according to Darwin), it is merely preserving your genetic line.

Why is theft wrong if it means you "get ahead" in life? You're just adapting to circumstances and ensuring your family does better--thus continuing your line.