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Election over, administration unleashes new rules
Newsday/AP ^ | 12-13-12 | Matthew Daly

Posted on 12/13/2012 1:38:52 AM PST by STARWISE

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To: Smokin' Joe

Obama will ‘nationalize’ the oil patch. It’s already in the works.


21 posted on 12/13/2012 6:52:39 AM PST by sarasota
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To: Smokin' Joe

Water is needed to mine oil shale; hence water as the target for the moment; then the land.


22 posted on 12/13/2012 8:04:39 AM PST by sarasota
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To: Smokin' Joe

You pay less than $200 a year for car insurance?


23 posted on 12/13/2012 8:23:53 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Smokin' Joe

Many already have been putting them into their cars for a few years now - CNBC had a documentary a couple of years about the surveillance industry and they had a segment on the car’s black boxes. Toyota has been putting them in for a few years now, that’s how they were able to debunk the accusations about their cars accelerating on their own.


24 posted on 12/13/2012 8:53:49 AM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: Salgak

“typical Government Engineering standards. . . .they’ll be hacked in no time,”

By Jove, I think you’ve just defined, once and for all, the Democrat vision of Job Creation.

They’ll Job us into Their economy where reverse engineering and defeating all of their idiot regulatory improvements will provide work for 10s of Millions of us.


25 posted on 12/13/2012 9:19:20 AM PST by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I’ve had to drive Off the freeway at 65mph and onto the shoulder to keep from being rear ended as the poor devil at the tail of the 20mph jam up in front of me got it.

When will we get recorders to log that?

And what will the Govt fines for it be?


26 posted on 12/13/2012 9:27:11 AM PST by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: sarasota
Well, it isn't mining, per se (although that was done with the Green River Shale in Colorado, back in the '80s).

The water is the overwhelming majority constituent in the frac fluid used to hydraulically fracture the shale and let the gas out of pores which normally are not interconnected. The fractures induced are propped open by a proppant, usually washed and graded sand or ceramic grains. That preserves the cracks in the shale, and provides a pathway for the gas and/or oil to come out of the rock when the pressure required to induce the fractures is let off.

Water, inexpensive, non-compressible, and with a good ability to mix thickening agents to help carry the proppants has been the fluid of choice. There are even companies which reclaim produced frac water for re-use.

The attack angle that fracking contaminates aquifers persists in the pop press, but there are no examples of such contamination in tens of thousands of wells. Even studies which went in and tested water wells before any drilling or fracking in the area found there is some natural, preexisting contamination in aquifers which is related to the underlying geology or other surface sources. I personally know of at least one oil field in Nevada which was found because the springs in the area which were used to water livestock had trace amounts of oil in the water. Drilling in the area led to wells which produced up to 10,000 barrels of oil a day. (Blackburn Field, Eureka County, NV)

The complaints about the land have been greatly defused as well, especially with pad drilling, where horizontal wells can tap oil from under twelve square miles from a single grouped location on the surface (about 5-10 acres). The reduction in footprint from 6 to eight surface locations to one, from multiple lease roads to a single access, and a single access for production infrastructure preserves the natural lay of the land far better than older methods. Waste is hauled out to disposal facilities. As much as can be re-used or reclaimed as far as materials go, is, generally, and often at tremendous cost savings.

So what is left is the air.

With drilling outpacing the emplacement of the pipelines and construction of gas processing facilities, raw gas produced with oil is often flared off at the wellsite until the feeder pipeline can be built, while the oil is separated and stored in tanks on location until trucks haul it away. Flaring gas seems to be the angle of attack at present, considering others have failed. That gas would have to be processed before use, something which is best done with the economy of scale a gas processing plant has at present. It can't be simply vented (too hazardous), and it can't just be stored because the component gases liquefy at different temperatures and pressures, so flaring is the option of choice until someone devises a way to convert the gas into a useable and storable by-product on site, something that can be hauled out by truck until the pipeline is built.

Generators have been suggested, but then the temporary infrastructure to handle the electricity must be put in, and that would be subject to much the same sort of time delays as a feeder pipeline.

It isn't difficult, considering the stumbling blocks the administration has put in the way of development, to see why they think it takes 10 years (or more) to get oil from drilling the well to the refinery. Not so, really.

Consider I worked one of the first Bakken wells in the latest round of drilling only 13 years ago, over in Montana. Within five years, we'd doubled Montana's oil production, and in another eight years, North Dakota's production passed Oklahoma, Louisiana, California, and Alaska to become the second largest producer of oil in the US, only second to Texas, putting an additional half million barrels of oil daily (above previous production) into the system.

During that time period, Natural Gas production skyrocketed (especially elsewhere) using similar technology, dropping heating costs for millions of families. Only the War on Coal (cleaner than ever before) will cause those prices to rise, as power plants are shut down or converted to natural gas and supplies are diverted to generate electricity, all for the sake of making "renewable" electricity sources economically competitive to justify the billions this administration has diverted from the public coffers to solar and wind energy companies (likely corruption thinly masked).

Only the people in our Federal Government could take what should be a time of prosperity and the rebuilding of our economy and production (manufacturing) infrastructure and turn it into a jihad against American prosperity, and they are doing one heck of a job.

27 posted on 12/13/2012 9:28:59 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: STARWISE

Black boxes recording data will allow the government to require us to start giving a record of our driving miles on our income tax each year. We will be taxed for all miles over what the government will allow us as what they say will be the max miles, like maybe 10 or 12,000. Or maybe just tax us for every mile we drive. Even at a penny a mile, they stand to make billions off us.


28 posted on 12/13/2012 9:32:41 AM PST by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: Salgak

hopefully, that governor module will be open source/readily available...


29 posted on 12/13/2012 9:33:25 AM PST by sauropod (I will not comply)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Yep. On personal vehicles, 100,000/300,000 liability with a million dollar rider. No collision, no comprehensive, but I do have uninsured vehicle coverage.

State Farm. Multicar, multiline discounts.

I drive older vehicles, and I pay cash for them, so I don't have to carry more expensive insurance. (It helps to have a clean driving record.)

The commercial insurance on the two vehicles I drive onto drilling locations is more expensive, but that' a business expense.

30 posted on 12/13/2012 9:34:14 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Informative. Thanks!


31 posted on 12/13/2012 9:36:30 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything)
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You’re welcome!


32 posted on 12/13/2012 9:39:58 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Don’t you think Obama will want to get in on this opportunity? As long as Big Government can control it, anyway. There’s too much opportunity there for him and I suspicion that he’s already on the prowl to make it happen. Thanks for the interesting backstory.


33 posted on 12/13/2012 9:40:27 AM PST by sarasota
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I have little doubt "Socializing" the oil industry is in his sights.

There is a problem, however. Almost everyone I know in the industry is strongly Conservative. Does he think for a second he can force us to work? We'll walk.

The government proved in Nevada (The Mustang Ranch) that it couldn't make money selling high-priced drinks and running a whorehouse. Really.

Do they think their "experts" can produce so much as a drop of oil without making a total mess of it? They don't have the people.

34 posted on 12/13/2012 9:45:06 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Okay, no collision, no comprehensive. Thanks!


35 posted on 12/13/2012 10:21:48 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Smokin' Joe

Joe, I hope (and pray) that you are correct.


36 posted on 12/13/2012 10:32:47 AM PST by sarasota
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Just read that the Bureau of Land Management in Wyoming is planning to open federal land for oil shale development.


37 posted on 12/14/2012 10:00:30 AM PST by sarasota
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Which Shale? The Niobrara has promise in places, but the Green River there would be a challenge (too close to the surface, not as oil rich as it is in Colorado or Utah). Please post a link if you can.


38 posted on 12/14/2012 10:15:28 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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Google oil shale; go to CNN money and look for CLR and read news about this firm and related articles. I don’t have any current links but there is an abundance of information on prospects in the western states.


39 posted on 12/15/2012 6:47:15 AM PST by sarasota
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