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To: ansel12

Nice try to try and set a trap. You are out of your league.

Now: First I am agreeing that you are obsessed with an issue that I am not obsessed with.
Second: I think there is merit to the issue that it should be a state decision.
Third: My state, NC, upheld marriage as between one man and one woman in a state vote several months ago. I voted for traditional marriage, as did everyone in my family who is could vote.
So I think I agree with Glenn that it should be a state issue.
Fifth; I do not agree that we should just get over it, I think we should fight it, on a state level. We won in my state.


138 posted on 12/11/2012 11:37:15 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Nice try to try and set a trap. You are out of your league.

LOL, that says a lot, all I asked was if you agree with Beck, I think that you said yes, you do want to diminish the importance issue of marriage in the republican party.

148 posted on 12/11/2012 11:41:11 AM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

What do you do when your state of North Carolina upholds traditional marriage as it has but Romney’s Massachusetts via its Supreme Judicial Court welcomes perversion posing as “marriage?” The fedgov and its constitution require North Carolina to give “full faith and credit” to the acts of Massachusetts. Tiny Tim and his hubby Big Bubba marry in Massachusetts and move to North Carolina. Access to your divorce courts? Benefits as a “married couple” under North Carolina laws? Equal treatment as to adoption of innocent children??? So long as the Full Faith and Credit clause in the US Constitution remains, it cannot just be a state issue, can it? If you disagree, explain in detail.


455 posted on 12/12/2012 3:07:10 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright; xzins; Jim Robinson; surfer; wmfights; wagglebee; svcw
So I think I agree with Glenn that it should be a state issue.

There must be a Federal element to this issue no matter how you slice it. The Feds control the Military (are we going to countenance same sex marriage withing the ranks of the military?)

What about the territories, Samoa, Guam, Virgin Islands Puerto Rico?

What about overseas military bases?

Finally what do we do about the Full Faith and Credit Clause and all the Federal Judges creating rights for homosexuals out of thin air?

North Carolina exericised their prerogative not to recognize same sex marriages within their state borders. But without Federal intervention those same sex marriages in Vermont will be legal in all 50 states including North Carolina. So all a North Carolina homosexual resident couple needs to do is to book a bed and breakfast in Vermont and a week later return home with all the privileges of a heterosexual married couple would have in North Carolina, including but not limited to adoption rights and spousal dependent benefits. Additionally military pensions would be awarded unless congress agreed that they would not allow same sex couples to get spousal military death and dependency benefits.

So it is a Federal issue. The whole problem has been created by Federal Judges overturning laws which prohibit same sex marriage or refuse to recognize them because they supposedly violate the 14th amendment.

No my FRiend, it is a BIG Federal issue we need to deal with the Federal issue even before we deal with it on the state level, because most of the time when a State tries to define marriage, it is the Federal Judiciary which rules that they can't.

Glenn Beck is a fool. An idiot. Don't follow his lead.

459 posted on 12/12/2012 3:58:52 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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