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To: Longbow1969

“We are going to have to face that demographics are getting away from us and soon we may not even be able to win places like Texas. Every minute spent blaming voter fraud is a wasted minute that could be used facing up to the real problems we face and coming up with a strategy to at least try to turn things around.”

Good analysis.

But your comment begs the question:
Just what “strategies” might have the possibility of “turning things around”?

Obviously the WORST possible direction we could go in would be to “try to make the party more appealing to Hispanics” and other minorites (we’re going to be bombarded by this tack again and again and again and again from the “mainstream conservative commentators” in the media). Doing so will become an out-and-out recipe for Republican disaster in 2014 and 2016. Not only will we NOT get any significant increase in “the Hispanic vote”, but the abandonment of conservative principles will instead cause conservatives to just stay home. If this happens, we will lose by greater margins in ‘14 and ‘16 than we did this time around.

And you’re absolutely right about Texas (and I’ve been writing about this problem here on FR for a while now) — sooner or later, demographics (70-75% of all births in Texas hospitals are to Hispanic women, legal and illegal) will cause Texas to slowly “tip to Tejas”, and become first a “battleground” state for an election cycle or two. Then it will topple over to the blue side.

Once Texas is gone, Republicans will no longer have a numerical chance at winning presidential elections. Sadly, I see this day coming — the question is not _if_ it arrives, but rather _when_ it becomes reality. The electoral college that has protected conservatism for so long, is eventually going to turn against us.

So, what could actually change things?

Point 1: We can leverage our power (as conservatives first and Republicans second) to regain the presidency, at least for a while longer. To do so, we must concentrate our efforts at winning the Euro vote to our side, as increasing numbers of Euro-Americans (even liberal ones), become openly hostile to national policies which seem to have jettisoned our cultural heritage in favor of an onslaught of non-Euro newcomers. If this sounds like “group identity politics”, well, that’s what it is. Every OTHER ethnic/racial group in America sees themselves _as_ a group. American Euros face two choices: keep pretending this reality doesn’t affect us (and keep on losing), or understand that reality for what it is, adopt to it (within reason), and perhaps turn our chances around, if by this point they can even be turned around.

Point 2: Eventually, demographic changes in the country are going to make it impossible for Republicans (or a new party that may very well replace them) win the White House or exercise anything more than token influence in a growing number of state governments.

When that time comes, conservatives/Republicans will be relegated (on the national level) to the role they currently play in states like Massachusetts or Illinois. Republicans may still win in both states, but not in enough numbers to have an influence in the policies by which those states are governed. Conservatives/Republicans will still have a vote (at the national level) — what they WON’T have are “enough votes”. Big difference.

With this on the long-distance horizon, and with the ever-increasing possibility that at some point in the future the United States faces an economic and social catastrophe that will make the Great Depression look small by comparison, perhaps the only course of action might be for the red states to enter into some kind of “compact” amongst themselves, to better prepare their populations for survival when the DC ship of state goes down.

Think of the Titanic disaster. As the bow filled with water, it sank beneath the waterline, pulling the stern section into the air. Eventually, the opposing forces of the sinking bow vs. the rising stern became so great, that the ship literally “parted at the seams”, after which the bow sank away while the stern settled back (before it, too, went under).

What the red states need to start doing is to somehow build a “watertight bulkhead” so that when the “split” comes, the blue states can sink away while the stern keeps the waters out and floats on its own. They can’t do this on their own as individual states. They have to find some way to “bind themselves together” outside of their relationship to Washington and a federal government that may be doomed to either failure or a pathway towards socialism or even outright despotism.

Wish I could be more optimistic.
But that’s how I see it.

We either “build the bulkhead”, or we go down with the rest of them.


46 posted on 11/20/2012 12:01:41 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: Road Glide

Face it folks the country is over. The Democrats realized they could not win elections on ideas with the electorate as it stood in the 1960’s, 70’s and 80’s, so they decided to change the electorate. With uncontrolled and more liberal immigration from the third world, we will become a third world hell hole in the next ten years.

Check out the immigration bill of 1990 signed by GHWBush and then GWB restored food stamps for legal immigrants. GOP was complicit in this change just as much as any Dem. Our kids have been sold down the river. If your kid is of European descent, then they can look forward to a future of being relegated to the bottom of the barrel.

All of this did not have to happen. Immigration has destroyed our country. May Teddy Kennedy rot in hell.


48 posted on 11/20/2012 12:26:18 PM PST by lone star annie
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To: Road Glide
Point 1: We can leverage our power (as conservatives first and Republicans second) to regain the presidency, at least for a while longer. To do so, we must concentrate our efforts at winning the Euro vote to our side, as increasing numbers of Euro-Americans (even liberal ones), become openly hostile to national policies which seem to have jettisoned our cultural heritage in favor of an onslaught of non-Euro newcomers. If this sounds like “group identity politics”, well, that’s what it is. Every OTHER ethnic/racial group in America sees themselves _as_ a group. American Euros face two choices: keep pretending this reality doesn’t affect us (and keep on losing), or understand that reality for what it is, adopt to it (within reason), and perhaps turn our chances around, if by this point they can even be turned around.

More and more people are going to come to this conclusion. To even discuss things like this usually results in charges of "white nationalism". Unfortunately, the left has been playing this game with every single other racial group already, and because of that have set themselves up to dominate electorally for a very long time. The Republicans are already on a glide path to win a bigger and bigger share of the white vote going forward, the problem is we are not winning enough fast enough to offset the minorities voting in ever bigger numbers for Democrats. Maximizing the "Euro" vote is an option. I can understand the argument for why it may be necessary. But know this, if you make that case you are going to be called a racist. The left establishment is aware of our predicament and the media and entertainment industry will vilify anyone, and I do mean ANYONE, who tries to win over the white vote the way Democrats win over the minority vote.

The problem with this option is, ultimately, how do you make this case to the "Euro" audience (in order to maximize their vote) without attracting the lunatic fringe, genuine haters, true racists, etc. We really don't want a bunch of Aryan Nations types make inroads in the conservative movement.

55 posted on 11/20/2012 12:46:43 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Road Glide
We either “build the bulkhead”, or we go down with the rest of them.

It matter not how many voters we persuade if their votes are not counted.

Someone once said, if voting really mattered they wouldn't let us do it.

59 posted on 11/20/2012 12:58:13 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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