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To: Arthurio

Voter fraud, no question about it.


6 posted on 11/13/2012 11:08:42 PM PST by trailboss800
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To: trailboss800
Voter fraud, no question about it.

Absolutely and even some here don't get it....

7 posted on 11/13/2012 11:15:48 PM PST by hamboy (Psalm 109:8: Let his days be few; and let another take his office.)
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To: trailboss800

Of course it was voter fraud. Our SOS needs to order a recount before certifying the results. We need some representative with a spine for a change.


8 posted on 11/13/2012 11:17:56 PM PST by Catsrus
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To: trailboss800
"Voter fraud, no question about it."

What there is no question about is the assumption that there is any way, given the protocols deployed in our voting system to verify any votes. There is no audit trail, and that is almost certainly by design. There once was in the US, and still is in Israel, where US citizen Jews, most of them quite liberal, and many with homes in the US, voted 89% for Romney, as reported by Israel's Washington Post, Haaretz. It is not believable that 69% of that class voted for Obama in the US. Jews in the US are more religious than those living in Israel. We have clever activists inventing all sorts of plausible, but untrue, reasons that the election didn't turn out as many, given the debates and enthusiasm of voters, thought it would. Their objective is probably also to promote class warfare, if they can. 100% of voters in Pennsylvania voting for Obama is a joke, but the community activists know what they are doing. They benefit from division.

The only way elections can be monitored is if the votes, the media, preferably paper, are counted at the precinct before they are removed from the sight of those managing the precinct. That is critical. It is the only mechanism that provides and audit trail. The local workers count ballots, in front of each other, and their signatures go on the boxes of ballots which are shipped to secure storage. The precinct count is the final count, unless court order is granted. Then, and only then, is a recount meaningful.

Recounts might reveal ridiculous anomalies, but they don't contain relevant voting information. Without paper ballots, and nothing in a computer is trustworthy, there is no meaningful recount because numbers in a file have no history one can trace. All this discussion about exit polls and voter intent is nonsense without verifiable voting, and we in the US have an unverifiable and opaque mess for a voting system Our absentee ballots are counted, in most states, by SEIU employees. It doesn't matter, because the votes must be assumed to have been so corrupted that the absentee counts are just a formality. Of course if a a few thousand votes here or there are needed for the pro-union candidate, it is trivial to lose a few thousand ballots from a conservative district, as happened in Florida, or see that postal workers were a day late with the overseas military ballots.

We didn't have an election; we had an exercise to tell us who would be running our economy and our military for the next four years, and probably, by then, for much longer than that.

18 posted on 11/14/2012 1:31:28 AM PST by Spaulding
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