[Oshkalaboomboom]

Also attributed to Alexander Fraser Tytler (1747-1813)... who knows... in any event, the quote has been around since the 1950s and is still very true.

Neal Boortz used to have this quote on his website years ago. He also said not to believe anything unless you personally verified it. I checked with the National Museum of Scotland and exchanged emails with the custodian of the Tytler collected works. He said it sounded more like a 20th century rant.

If you do a search for this quote the only place you will ever find it is on Conservative websites and blogs, never a link to a genuine passage from any speech or book by any author anywhere. It's bogus.

[daniel1212]

>>Also attributed to Alexander Fraser Tytler (1747-1813)... who knows... in any event, the quote has been around since the 1950s and is still very true.>>

>Neal Boortz used to have this quote on his website years ago. He also said not to believe anything unless you personally verified it. I checked with the National Museum of Scotland and exchanged emails with the custodian of the Tytler collected works. He said it sounded more like a 20th century rant.

If you do a search for this quote the only place you will ever find it is on Conservative websites and blogs, never a link to a genuine passage from any speech or book by any author anywhere. It's bogus.<

I agree with checking things out, and tell those who send me the often bogus emails, which carelessness makes us look bad. For those who do not known, in browsers like Firefox you can select (highlight) the text in a web page you can to search, then right click and chose "Search..."

WikieQuote states

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• A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.
  • The earliest known attribution of this quote was December 9, 1951, in what appears to be an op-ed piece in The Daily Oklahoman under the byline Elmer T. Peterson^[2]. The quote has not been found in Tytler's work. It has also been attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville.
  • There are many variants circulating with various permutations of majority, voters, citizens, or public. Ronald Reagan is known to have used this in speeches:^[3]
    • Perhaps what he had in mind was what Prof. Alexander Frazer Tytler has written, that a democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largesse out of the public treasury. From that moment on the majority, he said, always vote for the candidate promising the most benefits from the treasury with the result that democracy always collpases over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a dictatorship. Unfortunately, we can't argue with the professor because when he wrote that we were still colonials of Great Britain and he was explaining what had destroyed the Athenian Republic more than 2000 years before.
  • Other variants:
    The American Republic will endure until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money.
    The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.

[edit] Misattributed

• The historical cycle seems to be: From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to apathy; from apathy to dependency; and from dependency back to bondage once more.
  • From 1943 speech Industrial Management in a Republic^[4] by H. W. Prentis, president of the Armstrong Cork Company and former president of the National Association of Manufacturers.

This quote sometimes appears joined with the above one, most notably as part of a longer piece which began circulating on the Internet shortly after the 2000 U.S. Presidential Election^[5]:

A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

• From bondage to spiritual faith;
• From spiritual faith to great courage;
• From courage to liberty;
• From liberty to abundance;
• From abundance to complacency;
• From complacency to apathy;
• From apathy to dependence;
• From dependence back into bondage.

[zeugma]

i just did a quick look in both editions of Democracy In America, but the sentiment is pretty closely aligned with several themes therein.