Posted on 11/07/2012 4:18:54 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
Johnson in three states where Romney was only about 20K behind obama and received about 45K votes.
So if one assumes that all the votes were taken from Romney, the Johnson voters elected obama.
It sure did.
WHY did you mention it?
No; they would not.
I would hope that my faith is stronger than any situation I find myself it.
What's wrong with voting against a Muslim because he's a Muslim? Islam, by its nature, is more of a political movement than a religion, which mandates its members to work for complete political control of the area they are in.
When (modern day, mainstream) Mormons call for the death penalty to be imposed on people who leave the Mormon church, and the enslavement of those who refuse to join, then I will listen to Mormonism and Islam being equated.
“The old “everybody knows it” defense.”
Very appropriate when making a statement like, “The sun rises in the east”...
“Ummm...the Mountain Meadows Massacre occurred a little while ago. / ...WHY did you mention it?”
You did first, in post 568, in response to my claim that the Mormons didn’t try to kill me.
Then you ARE here to pound down christians in the name of the GOP, because some of them didnt vote for your GOP-elitist snob liberal. FR is not a GOP website. It IS an evangelical, Pro-God website. That means what you’re doing is trolling. You ain’t a conservative.
BINGO!
KJV
They were willing to DIE for their faith. They KNEW that GOD could save them, but if not....
Churchill's speech:
In the spring of 1940 the German army relentlessly beat back British troops from the mainland. As they retreated through Belgium, Winston Churchill addressed Parliament to prepare the country for the hard loss of these troops. The Germans pushed the soldiers right onto the beaches. Germany paused for a moment before delivering the final blow of annihilation to the 350,000 men stranded there. The British people anxiously awaited word of their fate.As they did, from that little place known as Dunkirk, came a three word radio transmission, But if not.
It was a message which comes from our text today. The God we serve is able to save us from the furnace and he will rescue us from your hand, O king. But if not, we want you to know, we will not serve your gods. (Daniel 3:18)
These words ennobled the British population. Their heroes courage turned them into heroes who launched a 700 boat armada that rescued their brethren from the jaws of death.
“The world will little note, nor long remember...
HMMmm...
What's wrong with voting against a MORMON because he's a MORMON?
If you think that a Mormon, by his nature, cannot represent your political interests to your satisfaction, then by all means vote against him. Similarly, other people may decide that people of your brand of Christianity are unfit, by their nature, to hold office and vote against them, and that would be their right as well.
Just don't expect to convince me to agree with you any time soon.
I guess I did!
I didn't notice the link pointed to a source that was about that shameful event in MORMON history.
I was thinking, however, about THIS:
I do not feel threatened by it because I dont think that they will be attempting to convert by the sword.
The gruesome be headings of some 40 Ute corpses in 1850, heads stacked in boxes,and hung by their long hair from the eves of buildings at Fort Utah,has long been ignored, You didnt see the Indians beheading the Mormons.-- Historian Robert Carter
and THIS:
"It is true that the blood of the Son of God was shed for sins through the fall and those committed by men, yet men can commit sins which it can never remit.... There are sins that can be atoned for by an offering upon an altar, as in ancient days; and there are sins that the blood of a lamb, or a calf, or of turtle dove, cannot remit, but they must be atoned for by the blood of the man." (Sermon by Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, pages 53-54); also published in the Mormon Church's Deseret News, 1856, page 235)
On another occasion Brigham Young made this chilling statement regarding a person's obligation to spill the blood of those who committed serious sins:
"Now take a person in this congregation who has knowledge with regard to being saved... and suppose that he is overtaken in a gross fault, that he has committed a sin that he knows will deprive him of that exaltation which he desires, and that he cannot attain to it without the shedding his blood, and also knows that by having his blood shed he will atone for that sin and be saved and exalted with the Gods, is there a man or woman in this house but what would say, 'shed my blood that I may be saved and exalted with the Gods?'
"All mankind love themselves, and let these principles be known by an individual, and he would be glad to have his blood shed. That would be loving themselves, even unto an eternal exaltation. Will you love your brothers and sisters likewise, when they have committed a sin that cannot be atoned for without the shedding of their blood? Will you love that man or woman well enough to shed their blood? That is what Jesus Christ meant....
"I could refer you to plenty of instances where men have been righteously slain, in order to atone for their sins. I have seen scores and hundreds of people for whom there would have been a chance... if their lives had been taken and their blood spilled on the ground as a smoking incense to the Almighty, but who are now angels to the Devil... I have known a great many men who have left this Church for whom there is no chance whatever for exaltation, but if their blood had been spilled, it would have been better for them....
"This is loving our neighbor as ourselves; if he needs help, help him; and if he wants salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on the earth in order that he may be saved, spill it.... if you have sinned a sin requiring the shedding of blood, except the sin unto death, would not be satisfied nor rest until your blood should be spilled, that you might gain that salvation you desire. That is the way to love mankind." (Sermon by President Brigham Young, delivered in the Mormon Tabernacle, February 8, 1857; printed in the Deseret News, February 18, 1857; also reprinted in the Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, pages 219-220)
These are only two of many "blood atonement" sermons preached by Mormon leaders.
Nope.
Only if they beat me down like Winston...
Party ownership of the print media
made it easy to manipulate public opinion,
and the film and radio carried the process further.
....... The Ministry of Truth, Winston's place of work, contained, it was said, three thousand rooms above ground level, and corresponding ramifications below. The Ministry of Truth concerned itself with Lies. Party ownership of the print media made it easy to manipulate public opinion, and the film and radio carried the process further. The primary job of the Ministry of Truth was to supply the citizens of Oceania with newspapers, films, textbooks, telescreen programmes, plays, novels - with every conceivable kind of information, instruction, or entertainment, from a statue to a slogan, from a lyric poem to a biological treatise, and from a child's spelling-book to a Newspeak dictionary. Winston worked in the RECORDS DEPARTMENT (a single branch of the Ministry of Truth) editing and writing for The Times. He dictated into a machine called a speakwrite. Winston would receive articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to alter, or, in Newspeak, rectify. If, for example, the Ministry of Plenty forecast a surplus, and in reality the result was grossly less, Winston's job was to change previous versions so the old version would agree with the new one. This process of continuous alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound-tracks, cartoons, photographs - to every kind of literature or documentation which might conceivably hold any political or ideological significance. When his day's work started, Winston pulled the speakwrite towards him, blew the dust from its mouthpiece, and put on his spectacles. He dialed 'back numbers' on the telescreen and called for the appropriate issues of The Times, which slid out of the pneumatic tube after only a few minutes' delay. The messages he had received referred to articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to rectify. In the walls of the cubicle there were three orifices. To the right of the speakwrite, a small pneumatic tube for written messages; to the left, a larger one for newspapers; and on the side wall, within easy reach of Winston's arm, a large oblong slit protected by a wire grating. This last was for the disposal of waste paper. Similar slits existed in thousands or tens of thousands throughout the building, not only in every room but at short intervals in every corridor. For some reason they were nicknamed memory holes. When one knew that any document was due for destruction, or even when one saw a scrap of waste paper lying about, it was an automatic action to lift the flap of the nearest memory hole and drop it in, whereupon it would be whirled away on a current of warm air to the enormous furnaces which were hidden somewhere in the recesses of the building. As soon as Winston had dealt with each of the messages, he clipped his speakwritten corrections to the appropriate copy of The Times and pushed them into the pneumatic tube. Then, with a movement which was as nearly as possible unconscious, he crumpled up the original message and any notes that he himself had made, and dropped them into the memory hole to be devoured by the flames. What happened in the unseen labyrinth to which the tubes led, he did not know in detail, but he did know in general terms. As soon as all the corrections which happened to be necessary in any particular number of The Times had been assembled and collated, that number would be reprinted, the original copy destroyed, and the corrected copy placed on the files in its stead. In the cubicle next to him the little woman with sandy hair toiled day in day out, simply at tracking down and deleting from the Press the names of people who had been vaporized and were therefore considered never to have existed. And this hall, with its fifty workers or thereabouts, was only one-sub-section, a single cell, as it were, in the huge complexity of the Records Department. Beyond, above, below, were other swarms of workers engaged in an unimaginable multitude of jobs. There were huge printing-shops and their sub editors, their typography experts, and their elaborately equipped studios for the faking of photographs. There was the tele-programmes section with its engineers, its producers and its teams of actors specially chosen for their skill in imitating voices; clerks whose job was simply to draw up lists of books and periodicals which were due for recall; vast repositories where the corrected documents were stored; and the hidden furnaces where the original copies were destroyed. And somewhere or other, quite anonymous, there were the directing brains who co-ordinated the whole effort and laid down the lines of policy which made it necessary that this fragment of the past should be preserved, that one falsified, and the other rubbed out of existence. |
MORMONism is built on sand as surely as the homes at Jersey Shore were.
The SuperStorm of Election 2012 may undercut it’s foundations as well...
Standing your ground means sometimes you lose, sometimes it means you are the ONLY one not caving and the ONLY one standing.
My faith, morality and principles are more important to me than being ‘one of the crowd’.
Excellent response, Els.
Since your post followed my reference of 4:17 with a cryptic "...but if not...", you might understand why I was left to wonder.
Now that you provided some context, I do recall Churchill's address. However, the text you included is not "Churchill's speech" as you indicated. Rather, it appears to be the introduction to a sermon by a Pastor Jeff Wood, wherein he merely mentioned Churchill's address.
BINGO!
If by that, you meant to imply my inability to decipher your previous post is symptomatic of our nation's problems, I would recommend gathering additional information before passing such judgment.
That’s creepy.
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