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To: TigerClaws
Gay marriage passed in Maine and Maryland.

I predicted the "gay marriage never won at the ballot box" talking-point would fall this year. This issue is lost; it's just a matter of time because demographic are not with "traditional marriage." Younger generations do not have the same values.

55 posted on 11/07/2012 2:48:54 AM PST by newzjunkey
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To: newzjunkey

Gay marriage has been lost for years, yesterday just put an exclamation point on it. There’s been at least much cynical chasing of working class Evangelical vote as principled policy view in Republicans maintaining a platform opposition to gay marriage.

Question is whither those Evangelicals now — gay marriage is set in stone and abortion repeal is more unlikely and distant than ever Obama will at a minimum drop the average age of the retain-Roe Supreme Court majority, if not expand it. A vote for someone on those issues is in a practical sense a wasted vote, no matter how strongly one feels about it.


59 posted on 11/07/2012 4:26:21 AM PST by only1percent
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To: newzjunkey

The people have spoken. No blaming activist judges this time.


115 posted on 11/07/2012 8:08:40 AM PST by Coronal
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To: newzjunkey

“I predicted the “gay marriage never won at the ballot box” talking-point would fall this year. This issue is lost; it’s just a matter of time because demographic are not with “traditional marriage.” Younger generations do not have the same values.”

I made a similar prediction here as well, that at least two states would vote to legalize gay marriage. As it happens, it looks like conservatives are losing in ALL FOUR STATES in which the gay marriage issue appeared on the ballot in some form or another.

You are also very observant that younger voters do not have “values” that are congruent to those of conservatives.

More than anything else, this does not bode well for the future of conservatism in America, at least as an enduring national movement (as distinguished from state-localized conservatism, which remains healthy). “Conservatism” will become a product that they’re simply not interested in. They’ll “buy” something else, and we know what that is.

Predictions (and I know I’m going to be attacked for stating as much):

- Gay marriage will quickly become a loser for conservatives (if they expect to win) at the national level.

- Abortion is also destined to become a losing issue. If there are so many young females so easily riled up about something [that to them seems important and emotional] as birth control, how can we expect to win them over on the abortion issue? They’ve been “gotten to” by the other side, their opinions are firmed up, and they won’t change.

How will conservatives maintain their ideological positions in the “elective market”, and expect to gain the votes of the young?


139 posted on 11/07/2012 10:41:13 AM PST by Road Glide
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