Posted on 10/30/2012 4:42:33 AM PDT by Kartographer
Hundreds of people are being evacuated after a levee broke in a northern New Jersey town early Tuesday. Bergen County executive chief of staff Jeanne Baratta tells The Record newspaper the entire town of Moonachie is under water and as many as 1,000 people could need to be evacuated.
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Canada’s just getting rain. While watching the weather map of the nation as the storm approached Jersey and made landfall, I noticed the rainfall in Montana was actually heavier.
However, the tsunami like storm surge did take a heavy toll, from what I am reading. But that doesn’t include Canada and the inland US.
“The Cascadia subduction zone extends off all of California north of San Franciaco, Oregon, and Washington, and is capable of an earthquake and tsunami equivalent to Indian Ocean 2004 or the Japanese quake. Seattle itself is underlain by numerous large additional faults capable of earthquakes larger than the one that destroyed Port au Prince”
“capable” is opeartive word
nuclear power plants are “capable” of exploding and capable other safety-concerning events but those events are rare and the worst of them very rare - unlike - as is my point, many flood prone areas that are continually and perennially not just “capable” of flooding but prone to
“In the next 30 years, there will be earthquakes in the San Franscisco Bay area, Los Angeles, or both, that will make Sandy, Katrina, and 9/11 look like a joke both in terms of damage and of deaths.”
we were told that when we moved to California in 1957, and the tale that such an occurance is guaranteed is no more thn a crystal ball projection - one will, but no one knows when
“California has been absurdly lucky in terms of earthquakes since 1906, when the population really exploded. That luck will run out.”
again, I would not rely on your crystal ball for anything
“Honestly it’s a fluke that the highest dollar value of damage, and of deaths, for natural disasters in the US has been from hurricanes. Long term, the top spots are going to be taken over by earthquakes.”
it is no fluke, they are a constant, not mearly “accidental” or random or infrequent occurance nor is their U.S. landfall infrequent - unlike earthquakes - it is assured there will be major earthquakes every year and it is assured that some, at least one or more, will make landfall in the U.S. every year and cause great damage - unlike the very rare major earthquakes
and knowledge of those areas MOST OFTEN under ANNUAL threat from Hurricanes is KNOWLEDGE not guessing and in those areas the most detailed subject to the most likely and most severe damage IS known (adjacent to the shore)
while the specific epicenter of “the next” rare earthquake, anywere is not known at all, nor is the overall most immediate area it will affect
meanwhile, as the billions in Hurricane damages mount year after year after year, no one will hold their breath waiting for your next big earthquake
We prepare so that we're prepared.
There's no one on earth who'll give more of a damn about me/mine than me/mine.
We're from the goobermint and we're here to help . . should send shivers down the spine of any sentient American in 2012.
And in the end, no one gets out alive anyway 
People in Canada have died due to this storm.
WIll Canada declare war?
“You implied that the very indeed flat land of NJ - hardly ever subject to hurricanes/TS, mind you - is 1 of those places “you should never live”.”
I implied nothing of the sort. I did not imply “all’ of New Jesrey at all. On the contrary.
All of us in New Jersey, when Hurricanes come up the Atlantic coast can experience high winds and rain from them, sometimes even when they have come ashore south of New Jersey, but in the least comprehensive damaging of such storms the living-on-a-sand-bar shore towns are ALWAYS affected and quite of the worst affected and in the worst situations it is inevitable they are the worst affected, and alwsys subjected greater ill affects than communities no more than a few miles inland; AND these same communities are in the same situation with any Atlantic ocean born storm, Hurricane or not.
Like I said, we - in New Jersey - are beginning to take steps in this state to buy out residents nearly always affected from the perinnally flooded areas on some of our rivers, instead of picking up the rebuilding bills year after year. We should start to do the same with our almost always worst-hit shore towns. Nature has been saying they should have been planted further back from the shore and everyone ignored all the natural signals - not randam, not occasional, not once now and again but constant.
I live in central Kentucky. People have died in several storms here this year alone. Two large buildings I drive by every day on my way to work were on the other side of the highway one day.
IOW, this storm was a tragedy, as were many this year. And last. And the year before that.
Etcetera.
Three burners, runs a good long time on a tank of unleaded, purchased in the early '70s, no longer as pretty as the one above, but will no doubt outlast my mortal coil.
Much of this thread, and similar gratuitous ego-stroking re Sandy the past few days on others, is an embarrassment and a stain on FreeRepublic.
Well said.
The other thing that irks me in the extreme is that I know some stats for New Jersey that don’t come to other people’s fingertips so easily. I know that New Jersey is one of the worst offenders for “repetitive loss flood compensation” from the Feds when they’re declared a disaster area time and time again.
A huge chunk of the US population lives in coastal counties in the US and a tad more than 50% of the US population lives within 50 miles of a coastline.
Given the number of federal resources that we’re having to pour into reconstruction, insurance subsidy and rescue operations in the coastal regions, I’m getting weary of having my pocket picked so that people can live near the beach. No one subsidizes my housing. No one is coming to rescue me when we’re buried in snow for a week or more on end, or when the power goes down and it’s -10F outside. I pony up the money to deal with that on my own.
Then to have to listen to the wailing and lamentations of people who have been flooded yet again... because they’re still living in coastal regions which have flooded before, have flooded again and will flood many more times in the future. This becomes tedious. These people just don’t take a hint. Mom Nature washes them away some years to decades ago (but within living memory), and they just rebuild on the same spot. Except now, they pick the pockets of the US taxpayer to help them do it....
I think these issues you have are certainly fair enough. But remember that this particular storm coincides with an election that the majority of Americans, including an overwhelming majority of Freepers it seems, is going to determine whether or not America will survive as we know it or deteriorate into a 3rd World Communist totalitarian state on the brink of total Civil War with all our Universities, hospitals, cities etc going bankrupt and America doomed to collapse on every political, social and economic front. They are worried about whether or not the Democrat Party could gain a monopoly on all future elections from here like the Nazis and Bolsheviks did in their dictatorships. And the thought of this storm allowing Obama to get the election victory is too terrifying for most people to be able to look past it. Thus, even if this storm was at the level of Katrina, Wilma,Charlie or Andrew in terms of the intensity of devastation, they would still have many of these complaints. I do think it is also partly because there actually is a lot of people in this particular area who do have an obscene entitlement mentality and feel everyone must pay attention to them even when they are only inconvenienced on minor levels. Of course, there are many decent, honorable Americans, including genuine conservatives, in the most badly affected areas who do not fall into this entitlement mentality and we as people must give them our support and prayers. But I feel this are the main reasons people feel this way, understandable as it is why it would be very irritating.
“It was overhyped.It is still being overhyped.”
I live in NJ. People are dead and homes and businesses are completely destroyed. Not overhyped!
Long Island.
Have a brother and sister living half a mile apart in Shirley, Long Island, and they were spared.
Sister text at 11pm Monday night that she, her husband, and 5 year old were tired and going to bed. Then today sister was on stand-by waiting to hear if she should go 30 minutes to work Tuesday.
Have no report on that.
So amid near-by disasters, some were untouched, TG.
About a week ago I e-mailed some friends about being prepared with survival supplies, with the possibility of rioting Nov.6/7, when Obumpo loses OR wins. That there are crazies out there waiting for any excuse, and others who will genuinely be enraged if he loses.
Riots may not happen in your town, but maybe goods and services will be hampered getting in to restock supermarkets, etc.
If rioting does not happen, then one has supplies for weather disasters.
And earthquakes like here in CA. We were told a few years back to now prepare for 7, not 3 days. That help may not come for 7 days.
One woman I had sent that e-mail heads-up couldn’t believe this weather disaster happening so soon after that e-mail, telling me this when I saw her Tuesday night.
Sure woke her up!
Have also seen a possibility of rioting on Jan. 20th - - -
It’s NEVER too early to prepare. . .
While there may be many dummies there are a number who have reasons.
Once you go the authorities can make it difficult to get back in after the storm. Many fear looting of their property.
Less than that would be an iffy stretch for a longer-term power outage etc, while much more might stray into being too intimidating at first.
The sense of accomplishment from assembling that initial 'two weeks worth' should be a good motivator to add a couple/few things with each normal grocery trip.
Friends of mine followed instructions and evacuated to a hotel 100 miles away. Hurricane changed paths and hit their hotel.
Cat 4 or 5, get out of town. If you are in a storm surge area then get out of town.
If your home can’t take the winds of a storm like this then you had better work on improving it.
“The other 7.5 million are due to storm damage. Which is the largest ever for storm damage.”
Hardly the largest ever. Its also mostly due to poorly maintained infrastructure. Utilities don’t trim trees and then the trees take out the power lines.
The North East has the heaviest concentration of people. That doesn’t make this storm a cat 5.
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