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[DoughtyOne]

I didn't want to respond to you here without LINKing you to a response I made to Regulator.

You both have valid points, but there is no single “Hispanic” population. Here in NJ we have several different groups of them, with their own traits & priorities. The more established ones are assimilated, and vote along the same lines as the larger American population; younger newcomers are here for the safety net, and breed to reap the benefits (it is amazing how many of the younger women are pregnant). Many of them are no longer Catholic, and attend storefront evangelical churches (if they attend any at all).

I agree with your comments.  And by the way, welcome to the same ANCHOR BABY situation we have been putting up with in Southern California (and other places) for the last 25 years.  Over 90% of the births in the Los Angeles County run hospitals, are the children of illegal immigrant parents.  Almost that same percentage of "all services" are provided for illegal immigrants.  We've got a multi-billion dollar county health care system that almost exclusively provides services to the citizens of other nations.  Talk about your sick screwed up situation...

As for why California is Mexican today, it is probably because it was Mexican in 1845; when the US took territory from Mexico...

The United States fought a war with Mexico around 1845, in a dispute over the future of the Western Territory.  The U. S. won.  Despite this, it also paid Mexico for the Western Territory.

That territory wasn't the traditional centuries old property of Mexico.  A European entity had claimed the Western Territories.  Spain claimed it.  In 1820, it left the Americas, and the Western Territory became Mexico's.  The U. S. had made prior stands against European claims to the Americas.  It didn't recognize Spain's claim.  It didn't recognize Mexico's ownership either.

There's this mental picture that folks have come to believe in, that Mexico proper once extended far north into the area that is now the United States.  Truth is, that whole area was populated by various American Indians.  Mexican nationals were not heavily populating the area that is now the United States.  Very little Mexican population was inhabiting Southern California at that time either.

The San Gabriel Mission in the mid 1700s, had a thriving concern in what is now East Los Angeles.  They had upwards of ten thousand head of live-stock.  And at the time, they were dealing with Indians, not Mexicans to help with that livestock.

Mexico had a claim on the territory for 25 years.  That's it.  We've had it for 167 years.  Mexico didn't improve the land.  Look what we have done with it.

The idea that today's Mexican nationals are merely reclaiming what was once Mexico, is silly.

...it didn’t have the ethnic cleansing that Britain had in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick when they won the war for Canada. The US probably continues to absorb Hispanic immigrants because in a global economy we are a nation of merely 300 million, competing with two Asian powers of over a billion people each; here in the northeast whole neighborhoods would be ghost towns if they didn’t let illegals fill them.

If we need more citizens, it would be more healthy if we were to make policies that would be more family friendly.  It is not healthy to move people here who have no loyalty to our nation whatsoever.

And frankly, I'm not convinced we can't compete with other highly populated nations as it is, and turning our nation into a hovel on the order of their's, isn't my idea of fixing things.

That probably sounds overly hostile.  I'm not intending it to be.  I appreciate the comments.  Take care.

[DoughtyOne]

I understand your point. Let me approach it this way.

We will be spending somewhere between half and three quarters of a billion dollars to get Romney elected.

We can’t afford $5 to $10 million dollars to present Conservatism to Californian’s with a loud voice?

[arrogantsob]

If you do a probabilistic analysis in cost - benefit it probably is not worth the expenditure.

While Mi, Wi, Ohio, PA have already being trending GOP CA has been heading the other way. It resisted the GOP landslide in 2010 and re-elected the universally acknowledged
most wigged out RAT in the whole koven.

California, like Illinois, is a lost cause. If we win the four states above or even two of them we win the election. And those chances are very good. Chances in California would be a wild long shot.

[waus]

Awesome!

I like that a small bag of fries feeds about four people.

[kearnyirish2]

Spain itself had tried to intercept Lewis & Clark when they set out to survey the Louisiana Purchase, because they knew what is could mean to Spanish claims far north of LA (Colorado, Montana, Sacramento are Spanish names for a reason). It wasn’t “Mexico proper”; it was Spain (Santa Anna was a Spanish officer before he became a Mexican one).

I agree that we should fill our nation by breeding Americans (of any background) rather than importing foreigners; I also think the costs associated with many of those imported are not worth it (the two issues are very much related, as Americans forego children in part to deal with the costs of subsidizing the newcomers). Most imported workers (in any field) lower the standards of living for those Americans forced to compete with them.

Interesting discussion!

[DoughtyOne]

You’re right on track there IMO.

[Regulator]

So sorry for the vehemence, but thought you might have been going soft...was very surprised!

I can believe that people in SoCal could be emotionally throwing in the towel: seems like the takeover has been all but accomplished.

But we should remain the Loyal Resistance!

Remember, you have Jan Brewer just a few hundred miles away...and she hasn't given in!

[Yaelle]

I think about this all the time, RD. our only hope is to surprise the country one election and either win or come in very close. After that, we will get some attention.

[DoughtyOne]

It’s not a matter of giving up. It’s a matter of realizing when you’ve been sold out. Today California, tomorrow Arizona, Nevada, Oregon, and points North and East.

When will folks in other states wake up and realize Conservative Californians need help, not a dagger in the back.

[DoughtyOne]

Obama was 19.7% ahead at one point. Today he is 16.3% ahead. It’s a start. ;^)

In truth, half a lead plus one is all the person trailing needs.

I agree with your take on it.

[kearnyirish2]

Thanks; watching this demographic disaster unfold is unsettling...

[GOPsterinMA]

“Even if we outlawed abortion today, Americans won’t go back to the days of families; the Pope attributes it to selfishness, and I concur.”

I'd throw the completely skewed divorce laws against men in this country in as a factor. Couple that with what I term a “deli style” attitude (take a number; you'll get your turn) towards sex that “popular culture” has bombarded society with over the decades and why should any semi-sane male “buy the cow when the milk is free”?

Very, very risky on many levels.

[kearnyirish2]

“I’d throw the completely skewed divorce laws against men in this country in as a factor.”

Yes, they have contributed a lot towards destroying the family as we knew it. Nobody wants to pay alimony while some other guy lives in the house with his wife & kids...

[GOPsterinMA]

Exactly!!!

And it’s pretty hard to reheat the soufflé.

[Regulator]

When will folks in other states wake up and realize Conservative Californians need help, not a dagger in the back

A-men.

Political fantasy of mine: run an ad in the East showing the things we see: ethnic Mexican police speaking in Spanish on public TV as a "civic duty" (last night, Watsonville, CA PD); kids being intimidated by the children of illegal aliens waving Mexican flags in California schools (Gilroy, CA last year); the "Marchas" in Los Angeles with the accompanying riots; the newspapers filled with the glowering faces of Mexican gang bangers arrested for you name it; Antonio Villaraigosa; And, Antonio Villaraigosa; MEChA; La Raza; and on and on.

At the end we ask them to remember: when they vote to put someone in office who is soft on this, they are selling us into the death of America in the West.

The more it's on TV, the more people see elsewhere, the more they can get angry. And then the politicians won't be able to smooth talk their way out of it.

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks. Good thoughts...