Posted on 10/26/2012 5:32:09 PM PDT by servo1969
Having a back and forth with a former legendary Delta operator. Here is the gist of what he is implying:
Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from the report jumped out at me.One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground laser designator is not a briefing pointer laser. You do not "paint" a target until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means that the AC130 was on station.Only two places could have called off the attack at that point; the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM commander based on information directly from the target area.If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta says) that means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.If that SEAL was actively "painting" a target; something was on station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to POTUS!
This is far bigger than Watergate.
The second worst feeling in the world has to be the platform crew being desperately asked for help, given a clear target and then having to stand down and watch your fellow Americans die.
The worst has to be the team on the ground knowing that the President just left you to die.
Update: Even with two Predators on station, one unarmed and filming and one armed, the call to stand down comes from the same sources. Earlier today, Bob Owens at PJ Media posts about the responsibility of the order to call off the mission as well as some good info about the AC130s on station.
Update 2: From Adam Baldwin and many of you, here is an audio interview between Rush Limbaugh and a caller identifying as a retired SF Lieutenant Colonel and Special Operations planner for 15 years.
From The Right Scoop:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lljKmmZyCiw
Update 3: Jeff Emanuel thinks that we might be jumping to conclusions and that Jennifer Griffin at FoxNews might have misreported a statement about active laser on a target. I highly respect Jeff and Jennifer. And either could be correct right now. Hopefully, we'll get some clarification.
Update 4: From quoted retired Delta operator, "Jeff is correct (about lasing without air asset) but the only reason you would do that is to determine a specific grid for indirect fire which the SEAL did not have available. You are in an active firefight against mortars and MGs; there is only one reason to cease returning fire and paint a target and it ain't because you thought it was a good time to pull a PMCS on your fucking GLD."
Update 5: The only way I buy that the former SEAL was lasing the target without an active asset to synch to and destroy the target...maybe, just maybe, it was a last stand move. Maybe he did that to give the inbounds a target if he didn't make it...
Update 6: Another (very very trusted) source is saying that the AC130 resources were in the middle of a rotation and that the new resources weren't ready yet so no help would come from Sigonella. So that confirms Panetta's statement.
According to people in Cairo ... no.
I can SEE Obunga pulling punches to protect fellow ragheads because he IS one. But Vallerie Jarrett? I know she was born somewhere in the ME, but is she actually a raghead, too? Why would SHE call off the dogs?
“This generation’s Watergate.”
Yep, and so many don’t know a thing about this one. Incredibly sad state of affairs.
May I use that image? It cuts right to the chase!
“There’s a broader lesson to be learned here,” Mr. Obama told “60 Minutes” correspondent Steve Kroft at the White House. “And I — you know, Governor Romney seems to have a tendency to shoot first and aim later. And as president, one of the things I’ve learned is you can’t do that. That, you know, it’s important for you to make sure that the statements that you make are backed up by the facts. And that you’ve thought through the ramifications before you make ‘em.”
Well, Tucker, Valerie Jarrett is the shadow President, the person actually making presidential decisions. BHO2 is just a puppet for the communists in Chicago.
The situation might be far more heinous.
The assets which might be scrounged from the Annex probably had the technical constraints described from 1-2 decade old technology. National intel assets might not be so primitive.
While generally it is the target that is painted when lazed, it isn’t inconceivable that more advanced technologies at the national level might be able to trace both the paintor and the paintee.
Dropping mortars at night on moving targets isn’t easy, unless maybe 120mm rounds. If this is a coordinated black op company sized attack, with say 2 platoons of politically motivated militants for screening and canon fodder, and one wpns plt for supporting arms and one maneuver element, then they likely had something like a knee mortar or a 60mm mortar or a Russian variant. Well trained infantry from Korean War era could place mortar rounds with correction with about 5ft accuracy at say 1000yds, but most mortar men in daylight and registered fires at preplanned targets might have 30yd accuracies and lesser trained 3rd world militias can be off by a couple 100 yds of their aiming points. At nighttime, figure 50yd accuracy for militias.
I don’t know what these guys have in their arsenals, but if they were lazing their targets, that means they have line of sight on their targets and their targets can also acquiesce them by direct observation, though in darkness.
If weapon platforms weren’t aloft for them to synch their laze, they might have lazed to provide national assets target ID for other platforms to acquiesce.
On the other hand, in the world of BlackOps, and at national level resources, once they paint the target, they themselves might be painting themselves to national resources. If a weapons platform was aloft, whoever operated the controls might also have been directed to eliminate either as a target.
If the controlling authority was cold enough to tell them to stand down as they were acquiesced by mortar fire, it also might be cold enough to target the heroes to control the situation. IMHO, it would be far easier a shot for national resources to take out the ex-SEALS than for some militant band of Muslims with scrounged weapons and zeal to take them out with mortars at night, while on the move, and changing scenarios from their original plan.
Of course this is all conjecture,..worlds of possible worlds, ..theoretical conspiracy theory,...we’ll probably will never know all of it, but it would be nice to know why the people are never informed of the wars our nation is leading even when they are supposedly are being phased out.
...the drones would probably been in operation normally for observation purposes because of the recent unrest and activities. The aircraft (c-130’s and others) would have been ready period. Crews and operators on alert 24/7 for weeks before hand, special operations prepared to go at anytime always in Europe. They were alerted and already had made decisions,(moves) when it first occured. Aircraft for rotation purposes are in constant readiness period. The drones operation was probably more observation than engagement,but still most likely lightly armed.
The excuse they are using for why things didn’t go forward
are bogus, as far as what Penetta is saying is beyond me.
Sigonella is normally used as a rotation base to ferry military personal and equipment all over...ALL OVER...the special operators and aircraft were not in rotation per say....but stationed (on assignment)within two hours of Libya
Very interesting, especially in view that the FBI “couldn’t get there” for about a month, even though US journalists could. Was the FBI kept away until all evidence of how the Seals died was obliterated?
MSM on total ignore of this story.
This generation’s Watergate.
Then it’s high time to get in their face about it (to use our dear liar’s phrase).
This is turning out to be a cluster f… of epic proportions – shame them into covering it.
Post links and articles about in their forums; e-mail their “reporters” about it.
Make it ridiculous that they could even think about ignoring the story.
I sure wish you, or someone, had a screen capture of the
“300 hits.” That would be terrific damning evidence.
Perfect! We need to keep hammering that one home!
A lightbulb just flickered on! I agree that she runs Obunga like a sock puppet, but I was puzzled why SHE would withold reinforcements from our people in Benghazi who were begging for them. It finally sunk in; SHE wouldn’t want a failed rescue attempt, should it fail, a la Jimmy Carter, any more than Obunga would, putting a splotch on the campaign.
So she/they sacrificed Stevens and the others. Although it probably was SHE ALONE who made the decision. Obunga didn’t even merely vote “Present,” as he has done so often in the past. HE WENT TO BED!
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