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To: cashless; Senator Goldwater
Let me see if I got this straight.

We should not predict a win for Romney by the evidence of our eyes such as the polls and the evidence cited by the author in this article because it will make potential Romney voters complacent and they will fail to go to the polls.

I suppose at the time when it appeared that Romney was behind we should have refrained from posting articles or making comments about those polls because it might discourage Romney voters who would refrain from voting.

It must be quite a trick knowing whether to encourage or discourage so we just do not say anything? We certainly cannot say anything intelligent if we do not know what is in the polls or what the arguments are. So are we just to shut up?

The problem with that is much of the discussion about those polls that had Romney behind was whether they were legitimate. It is very difficult to discuss the legitimacy of polls which are conditioning the mind of the electorate, not just conservatives or Republicans but liberals and Democrats and independents, without actually bringing up the polls. If we had not debunked the polls we would not know what we were talking about, we would not know if and when we are dealing with a relatively legitimate poll like Rasmussen.

If we do not know when a poll is legitimate we will not know whether in fact the electorate needs to be discouraged or if the electorate needs to be encouraged or what part of the electorate you think is in need of stimulus or sedative. We would not know where the hell we are.

The idea of this forum is that the give-and-take among thinking conservatives sooner or later gets us pretty close to the truth and to the truth of the facts. We cannot get there without give-and-take and we cannot get give-and-take unless we have the articles.

I trust conservatives as a group to get to the truth ultimately. I certainly do not trust conservatives or anybody else who form opinions without access to the facts.

I emphatically disagree with your admonition to Senator Goldwater and even more emphatically to your rebuke of him. I am thankful that he has posted this article and hope that he continues to post many more. I would prefer to be the judge of my own intellectual universe and not pass the red pencil of censorship to you.

Ultimately, we will never get the conservative victories the country indisputably needs if we fear the truth.


24 posted on 10/15/2012 11:42:14 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
I would add that unlike both Obama and Palin in 08 , Romney's campaign is NOT "Personality driven," and really it's not even "issue driven" ---though many of us would prefer that it was. Rather, it is ORGANIZATION driven and that (and $) has always been Romney's strength as a businessman. Emotion and adoring crowds are nice, but I got news for everyone. Romney's organization was in place LAST SUMMER, already had the precincts organized, and the walker scalers enlisted. They were determined to kick Obama out no matter what Romney did or didn't do. It has been a thing of beauty.

Point is, they weren't depressed a month ago when polls were bad, and they haven't changed their operations now that Mitt is up.

28 posted on 10/16/2012 4:01:51 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: nathanbedford

Well said, Lt. Gen. Forrest.


33 posted on 10/16/2012 1:14:14 PM PDT by Senator Goldwater
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