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I understand your complaints but Ryan was not trying to engage Biden, he was trying to engage with the moderator and the audience.

I feel asleep listening to debate on radio. Biden was clearly trying to dominate the younger Ryan and push him off message.

Yes Ryan was a little anxious, expected on this stage for the first time, but he didn't stray far in what I heard. He didn't take the bait from Biden and he handed the 47% line well by gently poking fun at Biden.

Biden wasted his time trying to talk over Ryan and instead of talking Obama policy going forward would complain about Romney and Bush.

Ryan was smart to point out Obama had a unified government when he was elected and bring up the old Obama quote about failing candidates talking now about their policies but trying to make you afraid of their opponents. That was devastating.

Too many here complain about "missed opportunities;" I saw the same said about Romney's first performance which, frankly, was a masterclass. He probably could not have done better. Forgotten in all this is the audience. This isn't about scoring in a debate class. It's about SALESMANSHIP. You don't pile on, you don't oversell, you don't appear desperate.