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To: muawiyah

Sorry, Bub, but you’re confused. The Spanish were involved in the 30 Year’s War up to their eyeballs. Largely to safeguard their land route to provide troops and supplies to their forces fighting the Dutch. They couldn’t use the sea route because the Dutch were better sailors.


16 posted on 10/05/2012 2:46:44 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Sherman Logan
The Spanish had only a passing entanglement in that war.

Contrast that with the German states ~ now that was some stuff!

17 posted on 10/05/2012 2:50:44 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Sherman Logan
The Spanish had only a passing entanglement in that war.

Contrast that with the German states ~ now that was some stuff!

Do not confound cessation of serious hostilities with the signing of a peace treaty. The Northern provinces had had defacto independence for many years ~ but the wrap up on the Southern provinces involved French involvement ~ and they stripped off those provinces for themselves.

I know that particular part of the broader peacetreaties was important to the Dutch, but the Treaty of London (1604) pretty much kept the Americas, including all the Spanish holdings, out of the battle ~ for all practical purposes the Dutch did what they wanted (in the area South of Acadia and North of Carolana) after North America was sliced up.

The Hapsburgs, on the other hand, had their handsful for most of the duration of the 30 years war ~ in one place or the other. The Treaty of London reserved Spain's American interests for Spain, not the Hapsburgs. Probably the largest land swindle in history ~ followed only by the Louisiana Purchase and then the Mexican Cession (Which were, of course, good swindles ~ but tricky none the less ~ buying stuff from guys without good titles has it's own sort of problem)>

18 posted on 10/05/2012 2:59:57 PM PDT by muawiyah
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