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As Obama, Romney Hold First Debate, Behind the Secret GOP-Dem Effort to Shut Out Third Parties
Democracy Now ^ | October 3, 2012 | George Farah

Posted on 10/03/2012 9:30:16 AM PDT by defeat_the_dem_igods

The debates have been a contrived farce, ever since the League of Women Voters were replaced by the CPD.

Democracy Now looks at how the Democrats and Republicans manage to shut out all third parties from the presidential debates.

The Obama and Romney campaigns have secretly negotiated a detailed contract that dictates many of the terms of the 2012 presidential debates. This includes who gets to participate, as well as the topics raised during the debates.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: presidentialdebate
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To: Vigilanteman

Reagan got about 51% of the vote, Anderson 7%, and Carter 41%.


21 posted on 10/03/2012 10:17:45 AM PDT by kabar
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To: mnehring
The entire polling business is reeling from the news that response rates are down to 9%.

KING POLL IS DEAD

22 posted on 10/03/2012 10:20:02 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: defeat_the_dem_igods

Third parties are just shills for Democrats.

Keep all of them out.

Especially those loons Goode and Johnson.


23 posted on 10/03/2012 10:24:53 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: Darksheare
Democracy Now?

...more like Marxist Now.

Just one Pinko after another over there.

24 posted on 10/03/2012 10:25:26 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: defeat_the_dem_igods

Conservatives can’t raise enough free $peech to compete with the left and right wings of the same of prey. People who buy the office with contributions rule. Money talks and politicians listen. Citizens United decision was the final nail in Conservative’s coffin.


25 posted on 10/03/2012 10:27:00 AM PDT by ex-snook (without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
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To: MNJohnnie


Thank you...that's like the 15 or so Romney haters at FR, who jump in these threads just to troll for Goode or Johnson. I suspect they're plants shilling for Zero.
26 posted on 10/03/2012 10:29:56 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: bobo1

I agree with you, Bobo.

Too bad so many conservatives are to “purist” to see that. They’d rather condemn us to four more years of Zero than be a team player.


27 posted on 10/03/2012 10:30:07 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: MNJohnnie

Perot was included in 1992, but not in 1996 and both decisions were correct because the Perot of 1996 did not have the support that the Perot of 1992 did.


28 posted on 10/03/2012 10:31:27 AM PDT by Revenge of Sith
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To: Vigilanteman

What happened was that Anderson’s poll numbers declined when it became closer to Election Day which was why the second debate was just Reagan and Carter.


29 posted on 10/03/2012 10:34:42 AM PDT by Revenge of Sith
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To: Emperor Palpatine

thank you.

sometimes i feel alone.

Blessings to you!

greg


30 posted on 10/03/2012 10:37:00 AM PDT by bobo1
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To: Emperor Palpatine

A “team player”? You mean like how the GOPe is treating Akin? Seems more to me like they want party loyalty to be a one-way street.


31 posted on 10/03/2012 10:50:12 AM PDT by zeugma (Rid the world of those savages. - Dorothy Woods, widow of a Navy Seal, AMEN!)
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To: muawiyah
Texas would do what they usually do but send delegates/committeemen to the NEW body and cut off the OLD body.

Seems like you get the same result sending to the current RNC. If enough states do that, it's a different RNC.

In all cases the way to change the national GOP is to change it on the local and state level.

32 posted on 10/03/2012 11:11:16 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: zeugma

No, its called maintaing chains of command.


33 posted on 10/03/2012 11:22:17 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: zeugma
"Seems more to me like they want party loyalty to be a one-way street."

Amen. I remember when Buchanan won New Hampshire, Bill Bennett and the RINOs were getting ready to start a 3rd party if Buchanan kept winning GOP primaries.

34 posted on 10/03/2012 11:29:50 AM PDT by ex-snook (without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
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To: D-fendr
You change it at the STATE LEVEL. That's where it exists as a corporate entity with the right to own property and so forth. It doesn't really exist at the national level, but that's where our biggest problem is ~ the creature made by the states has sought to cut itself loose from its master and rage over the food bowl.

Time to buy a new dog when that happens! Anybody can tell you that.

35 posted on 10/03/2012 11:54:09 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Emperor Palpatine
Somebody put in ringers so it's not the team folks signed up to play with.

You do see that problem, right?

36 posted on 10/03/2012 11:56:24 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Emperor Palpatine
The GOP-e can quickly be reduced to nothing but a third-party. Then what will you say.

I expect a far more complex response well grounded in established political theory than you've provided so far.

37 posted on 10/03/2012 11:58:35 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
You change it at the STATE LEVEL.

Yes, which entails changing at the local level. Which will necessarily effect changing it at the national level, the RNC.

Glad we finally agree. :)

38 posted on 10/03/2012 1:38:29 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

I’m sorry sir, but they do not command me.


39 posted on 10/03/2012 1:39:32 PM PDT by zeugma (Rid the world of those savages. - Dorothy Woods, widow of a Navy Seal, AMEN!)
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To: D-fendr
The State party is the one with a legal existence the entity for which the legislature has passed special laws. There is no national party, nor local party.

Legal existence is the be all and end all of political parties. Candidates beseech the permission of the party to run under its name.

The RNC is separately incorporated and is not "THE PARTY" however it has an annual and semi-annual meeting responsibility AND it administers the presidential nominating convention.

It is a simple matter to create an alternative body and have the states sign up to use it for those purposes ~ and there are undoubtedly some state Republican parties ready to do that. I used Texas as an example ~

Back before the Civil War there was quite a bit of party organization agitation. The Whig party fell apart. The Republican party rose up ~ but the Democrat party also fell apart and broke into Southern and Northern branches, and two other parties coalesced around independent candidacies which were also positioned to deal with the slavery question.

At the state level these various changes were a zoo but that's where the real action was, particularly for the Democrats who ended up in two separate countries in roughly the same states they started out with, but without a working coalition.

Then there was the war, the war ended, things were stuck back together, new ways of coordinating the state parties were worked out and finally that all came to an end with the compromise of 1876.

I don't think anything happened during that period when it comes to party organization that couldn't be done over with the modern Republican party machinery.

It's time to try it ~ we have a problem and those people need to be cut loose ~ after all, where they gonna' go, to the Democrats? BWahahahahaaaaa!!

40 posted on 10/03/2012 2:47:59 PM PDT by muawiyah
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