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To: JCBreckenridge
If they are here illegally, they are not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the US. They do not fall under the 14th.

Further, various pieces of legislation and court decisions have repeatedly upheld the idea that no one should be able to keep the profits of their crimes.

This should include jumping the border and attempting to defraud the US tax payers as well.

Come here legally and the situation changes dramatically. It's that "non-initiation of force, FRAUD, or theft" thingie that defines a libertarian.

I find it intriguing that a libertarian wants to strip citizenship away from Americans.

How can you "strip" something that was never yours to begin with? If you cheat during a race and are later caught, do you get to keep the awards and trophy?

44 posted on 09/17/2012 12:43:41 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Dead Corpse

“If they are here illegally, they are not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the US. They do not fall under the 14th.”

When did they cross the border? His parents crossed the border. But the child did not. The child is not responsible for what the parents chose to do. Citizenship looks at the child as an individual, not the child based on the parents.

“no one should be able to keep the profits of their crimes.”

And we don’t try children for what their parents did.

“This should include jumping the border and attempting to defraud the US tax payers as well.”

When did the child cross the border if they were born here.

“Come here legally and the situation changes dramatically. It’s that “non-initiation of force, FRAUD, or theft” thingie that defines a libertarian.”

The child born in America is here legally and is entitled to citizenship same as everyone else born in America.

“How can you “strip” something that was never yours to begin with?”

Legally, they do possess citizenship same as everyone else.

“If you cheat during a race and are later caught, do you get to keep the awards and trophy?”

Say you’re running a race. Player a cheats, and trips up player b. You go on to win the race. Should you be stripped of your medal since you profited from someone else cheating?


45 posted on 09/17/2012 1:17:10 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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