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Libya clashes break out over Sufi shrine attack
BBC ^ | 7 Sept 2012 | anon

Posted on 09/08/2012 1:01:32 PM PDT by BlackVeil

Three people have been killed in clashes in Libya between local residents and Islamic extremists trying to destroy a Sufi shrine, the interior ministry says.

Officials said residents in the eastern town of Rajma clashed with Salafist Islamists who were trying to destroy the Sidi al-Lafi mausoleum.

It is the latest in a series of attacks on shrines belonging to the mystical Sufi branch of Islam ...

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


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Violence and vandalism unleashed on the people of Libya.
1 posted on 09/08/2012 1:01:38 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil

Those elusive moderate Muslims are usually Sufi.


2 posted on 09/08/2012 1:30:15 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: BlackVeil

3 posted on 09/08/2012 1:31:36 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: BlackVeil

The appropriate response would be to destroy the homes of the Salafists, and the mosques of the Gulf state-financed mullahs. The problem is that Gulf money helps arm the Salafists. What we have here is the moral equivalent of the Cold War. But during the Cold War, we actually armed anti-Communists. Here, we’re standing by while the Salafists funded by the Gulf states overwhelm the non-Salafists. What we need is a revival of the USIA, with Islamism in the cross hairs of a well-funded propaganda effort.


4 posted on 09/08/2012 1:37:32 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: BlackVeil

“Salafist Islamists

Sufi branch of Islam”

Good grief - we barely understood the difference between Suni and Shiite and now we’re supposed to know the difference between Salafist and Sufi?


5 posted on 09/08/2012 1:43:02 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: BlackVeil

Who should we be bombing now? I get confused.


6 posted on 09/08/2012 1:48:53 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Thank You Rush

They like the letter “S” so let’s just lump them all together under one name - S****!!! That’s plural!


7 posted on 09/08/2012 1:50:48 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Zhang Fei
The whole problem is we never went after the order of battle. We went after the flys. The warlords are the prayer leaders They are the only ones holding this together. They also need to take out the money/oil.
8 posted on 09/08/2012 1:56:04 PM PDT by Domangart
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To: Zhang Fei

Salafists are generally a minority.

I like your idea, and I’d combine with a promotion of Sufism as a kind of “folk Islam” (which it is, actually) on the general grounds that Sufis are far less radical (as a general rule).

They’re like neo-Platonism meets Hinduism meets Islam; Sufi doctrine borrows pretty heavily from non-Islamic sources. Presumably, that’s why the Salafists hate them so much.


9 posted on 09/08/2012 3:06:25 PM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: JimSEA

Those elusive moderate Muslims are usually Sufi.
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Quite true, and they always get the short end of the stick. I had quite a few Sufi neighbors in Berlin, and they were just darned nice folks. Cheerful, helpful, and never pushy with the religion thing, and actually, quite tolerant of other religions (though they were more comfortable around Jewish and Christian folks, as opposed to let’s say, Buddhists or something else).

Frankly, the kind of folks you’d like to have as neighbors.


10 posted on 09/08/2012 3:12:04 PM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Thank You Rush
Just in case you weren't being sarcastic, these are Sufis: Yes; they're dancing. Salafists don't dance much because Salafists think that dancing (or whirling, in this case) is evil. Which is why Salafists hate Sufis. Which is why we should like Sufis.
11 posted on 09/08/2012 3:32:14 PM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: dfwgator

LOL! Well some people even miss ol’Sadaam. While he was being a bad boy, and sitting on Iran’s border, he made for a balance of forces.


12 posted on 09/08/2012 4:28:15 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Great pic, and a nice reminder of heterdox Sufi culture.

They are taking quite a beating in North Africa, in Iraq, and now, of course, in Syria as well.


13 posted on 09/08/2012 4:31:56 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

If there is any branch of Islam that might be domesticatable, it’s the Sufi. They value love over violence and murder.


14 posted on 09/08/2012 4:41:34 PM PDT by stboz
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It's not simple at all. Dervishes are ok, but whirling ones are frowned upon by many sufi.

And that's just for starters. Notice how Bin laden was identified/classified at the link.

15 posted on 09/08/2012 4:58:40 PM PDT by BlueDragon (going to change my name to "Nobody" then run for elective office)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

No, I wasn’t being sarcastic but now I wonder if you are. Are you serious? You’re not telling me they kill each other because one dances and the other one doesn’t.......I know things are nuts in the world but THIS NUTS????

Now you’re forcing me to look it up and I’m ready to hang it up for the night. Our own political scene takes a lot out of a person, you know!!!


16 posted on 09/08/2012 7:03:29 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Thank You Rush; AnAmericanAbroad

The radical Salafist groups will kill anyone suspected of pagan practices. Dancing and music could be considered as such, also maintaining shrines over the graves of holy people, having pictures of roses on a prayer rug ... all sorts of things. Some of them get worked up into a rage about quite standard Islamic practices.

They are ferious, austere reformers. They have a lot in common with the Puritans of the English Revolution. Except they are more violent.

They are active in Syria now, and I dread to think what they would do to the beautiful and varied shrines and churches of Syria.


17 posted on 09/08/2012 7:34:44 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil

Can the pyramids be far off?


18 posted on 09/08/2012 8:00:19 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

Not to mention the Sphinx.


19 posted on 09/08/2012 8:09:50 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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Oh yes that unnatural, devilish Sphinx will have to go. heh


20 posted on 09/08/2012 8:15:00 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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