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"If you want to understand the political and policy roots of Proposition 31, the best place to turn is the California Speakers Commission on Regionalism. (You can read a condensed version of the Commission’s 2002 report here.) This report was prepared for then-Speaker of the California Assembly, Robert Hertzberg. Hertzberg now serves as co-chair of California Forward, the key sponsor of Proposition 31."
1 posted on 09/04/2012 10:59:34 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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We are becoming a nation of looters and parasites. Thou shall not covet other people’s stuff is so old-fashioned. And surely racist.


2 posted on 09/04/2012 11:04:21 AM PDT by all the best (`~!)
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The clock to REV II keeps ticking down, it is almost at midnight now.


3 posted on 09/04/2012 11:05:30 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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Rush Limbaugh, as usual, quickly identified the fact that Obama and his minions are waging war on the suburbs. This is the California state-level version of this war. If you think California is going downhill now—you’ve not seen anything yet. Wait and see what happens if Prop 31 passes.

Suburbanites—you will be slaves to the Liberals and their constituents.


4 posted on 09/04/2012 11:08:24 AM PDT by House Atreides
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Running afoul of Godwin's law, I know but...isn't this what the Germans did under Hitler?

Consolidated all the quaint little German towns into more easily administrated political entities?

6 posted on 09/04/2012 11:14:02 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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31 is referred to innocuously as a "Two-Year Budget Cycle" on Wikipedia.
7 posted on 09/04/2012 11:14:24 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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Other supporters include: The California Republican Party.
8 posted on 09/04/2012 11:16:52 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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Republicans are going to have to learn how to win the cities.

Long-term nations are becoming more urbanized. This means that more and more voters will be in urban areas. Hence, conceding them to the Democrats is self-defeating.

Cities are also the economic powerhouses of the nation. Blue states are the ones which pay more to the federal government and subsidize the Red.

Cities are the source of civilization as the word itself shows. Every great civilization has a great city at its center.


9 posted on 09/04/2012 11:21:11 AM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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So this is UN Agenda 21 to be implemented at the state level.


12 posted on 09/04/2012 11:28:42 AM PDT by NeoCaveman ("If I had a son he'd look like B.O.'s lunch" - Rin Tin Tin)
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Isn’t this essentially what happened in places like Jacksonville, Florida and Columbus, Ohio that went out and annexed the whole danged County?


13 posted on 09/04/2012 11:29:55 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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I wonder what’s meant by ‘regional’ and ‘local’? Are any geographic or mileage restrictions?

If this comes about and I was part of one of the local governments that’s doing ok or better than ok, I’d be searching across the _entire_ state of CA to find other local governments I could team up with, versus being forced into a partnership with the neighbors down the road who can’t take care of their own affairs.


16 posted on 09/04/2012 11:38:56 AM PDT by bobwoodard
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If I'm not mistaken, this was done in Georgia. A friend of mine had a very nice home in Buckhead area of Atlanta, Ga. I don't know the exact particulars except him telling me that each year, more taxes were being diverted from services in Buckhead to inner city Atlanta. I do know he said enough is enough and sold his home.
17 posted on 09/04/2012 11:39:25 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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Agenda 21: Get everybody moved into the cities. I recently read an article about "micro apartments" in NYC. Square footage: 300 or less. Talk about packing them in!

Oh, and the best part: the apartments will rent for round $2,000.00 per month.

I sit here in my house in a pine forest on some land in Aiken County, SC and have two thoughts:

  1. Never in a million years
  2. Over my dead body

20 posted on 09/04/2012 11:56:21 AM PDT by upchuck ("Definition of 'racist:' someone that is winning an argument with a liberal." ~ Peter Brimelow)
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Not surprised, as states like California loose more and more tax revenue they will be looking at more and more ways to separate hard working people from their money and at the same time ensure that the voice of those being robbed is effectively silenced.


21 posted on 09/04/2012 12:02:50 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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They are doing this here in NY State too.

There are activists claiming that there is too much “duplication” in our town Governments - schools, police, fire, soc. services could all be managed much more effectively if the local Gov’ts dissolved themselves into county or regional size Gov’t, thus creating super-size school districts, etc..

And most “small-Gov’t” types shout: “yeah! We can cut Gov’t employees and gov’t expenditure!”

They just don’t realize that everything will be combined to the lowest common denominator. Unions will then control not only the city employees of Syracuse, Buffalo, Rochester, but you can be sure they will control the suburban employees too. School districts will be run the same way. Standards and indoctrination will be run for everyone as they are now in the hell-hole urban districts. If there are any cost or tax savings, they will be very short-lived. I guarantee you there will be no tax savings in the long-run.


22 posted on 09/04/2012 12:04:50 PM PDT by PGR88
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How are the “regions” defined?

Can’t the “rich” suburbs get together and form their own?


24 posted on 09/04/2012 12:27:58 PM PDT by glorgau
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sounds like a third way op.. Thanks for posting.


33 posted on 09/04/2012 2:09:21 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Jim Robinson; SmithL; ExTexasRedhead; AuntB; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; ...

If this passes, Nevada, Arizona, and Oregon better watch out, because there will be an exidous from California like never seen before. I’m glad I got out when I did.


35 posted on 09/04/2012 6:52:23 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama and Company lied, the American economy died)
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Well, I’m a month late to this particular party, but like a lot of folks here, I’ve been distracted by the national campaign, and hadn’t realized that something this radical had made it onto the ballot.

Thank you for sounding the alarm (and for the link to Hertzberger’s report.) This prop. really prompted the “who are those guys?” reflex while I was reading the voter pamphlet over the weekend.

Bottom line is that it’s not hyperbole to note that this measure would effectively end four centuries of representative self-rule, at least as it’s still understood in the US, and at least in California. The power grab is breathtaking.


42 posted on 10/09/2012 11:46:13 AM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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Ping...haven’t seen you on any prop. 31 thread. This may be the most important item on the California ballot this year. Time to rally the troops!


43 posted on 10/09/2012 11:48:35 AM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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