[buffaloguy]

I probably have a large advantage over most of the posters as I spent 10 years on my own ranch. I pretty much had to make my own stuff with a welding torch, saws and a woderful folding knife. Even had an attachmenty for my chaisaw that made it easy to make planks from a downed tree.

So i should probably allow for that in my posts.

[SCalGal]

I probably have a large advantage over most of the posters as I spent 10 years on my own ranch. I pretty much had to make my own stuff with a welding torch, saws and a woderful folding knife. Even had an attachmenty for my chaisaw that made it easy to make planks from a downed tree.

THAT is a night and day difference from urban populations who store their food at the grocery store and are totally dependent on "someone else" to supply the electricity or natural gas they use for heating. If the sewage plants stop working, everything in the cities backs up - those of us on septics keep going. Think - crammed in like sardines, no running water (electricity again), no sewage treatment, no food.... no civility in short order.

The urban mindset is completely different than rural.