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To: Kukai
Further complicating Obama’s citizenship story is an undisputed school record from Jakarta which identifies young Obama as a citizen of Indonesia. With all of this in mind, it’s hard to stamp Obama “natural-born”. Still, no challenger to date has managed to convince an American court of this. Of course, almost every single case has been dismissed before trial.

Also worth noting is that almost every single case sought the same thing: the release of the Obama birth “long-form” birth certificate. This is the very document the White House website put on display in April 2011. Obama spent an estimated one to three million dollars to fight previous attempts to compel him to release this same document. What happened to make the president change his mind?


Obama's long form birth certificate was sealed and archived by the Hawaii DoH through Court order when the Soetoro adoption was finalized. It's legally void and cannot be used as evidence in any Court for any reason.

Hawaii is one of the few states that will provide a copy of the original long form birth certificate to adult adoptees.

After the Soetoro adoption was finalized, Obama obtained Indonesian citizenship and forfeited his U.S. Citizenship status. Since he was minor at the time of his citizenship status change, he was given until 6 months after his 18th birthday to regain his U.S. Citizenship status and his Natural born citizenship status.

For whatever reason, he chose to regain his U.S. Citizenship status in 1983 through the naturalization process. His Certificate of Naturalization if on file with the USCIS with the Department of Homeland Security.


18 posted on 08/31/2012 3:14:30 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (Gossip is Satan's talk radio.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Oh, FER CHRIST’S SAKE, SVEN—SHUT UP!

You have been asked REPEATEDLY on this forum to provide evidence of your assertions, and you never have.

EVERYBODY, IGNORE SVEN. HE MAKES CRAP UP OUT OF WHOLE CLOTH.


22 posted on 08/31/2012 3:41:26 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: SvenMagnussen
After the Soetoro adoption was finalized, Obama obtained Indonesian citizenship and forfeited his U.S. Citizenship status.

Can a minor forfeit U.S. citizenship? I had presumed that when he was adopted, he would have been naturalized as an Indonesian citizen under Indonesian law, and that the U.S. would have recognized dual U.S.-Indonesian citizenship. But that is mere presumption; I don't know the rules.

Since he was minor at the time of his citizenship status change, he was given until 6 months after his 18th birthday to regain his U.S. Citizenship status and his Natural born citizenship status.

That's my understanding as well. As a minor with dual citizenship, Obama would have needed to make a declaration upon coming of age. But I don't know what the default rules are if he failed to do so. He was living in the U.S. at that point, and had been doing so since he was 10(?). I wonder if he had a passport at that point.

For whatever reason, he chose to regain his U.S. Citizenship status in 1983 through the naturalization process. His Certificate of Naturalization if on file with the USCIS with the Department of Homeland Security.

Is this confirmed? If he was born in 1961 and naturalized in 1983, that creates a strong presumption that he applied to college as a foreign student. I say presumption rather than a certainty because I'm not sure the dual nationality issue is settled. It would of course be helpful to know what passport he was carrying, but those records of course are super-duper top secret.

23 posted on 08/31/2012 3:44:26 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: SvenMagnussen

Why would Hawaii seal his birth records?

He wasn’t adopted by his mother just his Indonesian father.


37 posted on 08/31/2012 6:19:57 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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