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1 posted on 08/24/2012 1:52:05 AM PDT by marthemaria
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21 years-those Norwegians are really tough on crime!
2 posted on 08/24/2012 2:17:06 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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Breivik, 33, will be kept in isolation inside Ila Prison on the outskirts of Oslo inside relatively spacious quarters that include a separate exercise room, a computer and a television.

Plus a bed, three squares a day, healthcare, no bills to pay....hmmm.

3 posted on 08/24/2012 2:22:54 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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Just how weird the whole world has become: to give a title to this mass killer: “...an anti-moslim right winger....”

For the press to give out titles like this does not make it so!

Even the Bible says: “Thou hast a name that liveth, but thou art dead.” (Revelation 3:1c)


7 posted on 08/24/2012 2:49:36 AM PDT by Letmarch75
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Another take on this from a conservative website that even
Breivik posted on.:
The court found Anders Behring Breivik sane, and sentenced him to custody for 21 years. In a way they tried to square the circle.

There was public clamor for him to be found sane and accountable for his actions, while at the same time he showed erratic behavior in court that lent credence to the first psychiatric report, that found him insane.

Confinement for 21 years was the prison-version of compulsory psychiatric treatment: it is also the only way that he can be kept behind bars for the rest of his life, within the present law.

But in order to reach such a verdict the court has accepted a set of premises that are both judicially and politically contentious.

The court rationalizes Breivik’s ideology, whilst the first psychiatrists found them to be expressions of his extreme fantasies of violence: this explains how Breivik could walk around calmly and murder young people, and he repeated in court that he was sorry he didn’t kill more.

The other factor the court had to disregard was the fact that the investigation has found no trace of Knights Templar, the new order that Breivik alleged was European in scale.

The verdict accepts Breiviks ideology as rational, and then goes on to say that he is part of an antimuslim reaction in the West, and mentions explicitly 9/11 and the cartoon-crisis in Denmark as eliciting such a reaction. A part of this reaction has spawned conspiracy theories, and one of them is the Eurabia-theory, the belief that European elites are working on a secret plan to islamize Europe. Thus the court links Bat Ye’0r to Anders Behring Breivik. It is a dubious logic.

The verdict mentions that several witnesses have testified to the existence of such a milieu. The courts chairwoman, Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen, mentioned Lars Gule, Øyvind Strømmen, Matthias Gardell, Brynjar Lia, and other witnesses who have testified about the growth and existence of such milieus. It is also a dubious premise.

The court disregards what is an obvious fact: Gule, Strømmen and Gardell har hardline activists who regard the right in general as political adversaries. 22/7 was for them a pretext to smear all political opponents with the accusation of complicity. It is astonishing and worrying that the court has swallowed this bait without reservation.

Whilst much of Norwegian media are triumphant that the court found Breivik accountable, and calls it a victory for a common sense of justice, there is reason for concern: the verdict might not be the closure one hopes for, but a source of continuous political strife. The verdict might be a political instrument to clobber the right, but as long as one does not draw a distinction between legitimate dissent and terrorism, broad swathes of the population might feel under suspicion. That is a worrisome conclusion of Norway’s historic trial.

http://www.document.no/2012/08/a-problematic-verdict/


10 posted on 08/24/2012 3:33:02 AM PDT by marthemaria
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12 posted on 08/24/2012 4:14:32 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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“In a unanimous decision ... the court sentences the defendant to 21 years of preventive detention,”

Unbelievable sentence! This guy was a mass murderer and gets a slap on the wrist. Norwegian prisons are country clubs.


14 posted on 08/24/2012 4:56:30 AM PDT by kenmcg (t)
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This mass murderer of 77 teenagers can actually get out after 10 years, if he behaves nicely in prison. Unbelievable.

And the Europeans lecture Texans about out justice system! Apparently, they don’t even have one.


15 posted on 08/24/2012 5:18:21 AM PDT by txrefugee
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The real focus should be a determination if the people who put together and support the Norwegian legal system are sane.

The more I read of the legal proceedings and consequences, the more I’m convinced most of the country that goes along with this charade is as loony as he is - just in a different way.


17 posted on 08/24/2012 5:48:21 AM PDT by Stosh
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Which is more insane?

Allowing the Leftist Norwegian politicians to lead five million its own people to its death, submission, slavery, torture, and second class status via Islam or what Brevik did?


20 posted on 08/24/2012 7:00:26 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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What’s next, The Comfy Chair and Soft Pillows?


21 posted on 08/24/2012 7:01:14 AM PDT by dfwgator
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I read an interesting (fictional) analogy to this:

During the administration of president Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the leaders of the Democrat party decided that their party needed a “youth league”, for the same reason that the Nazi party in Germany created its Hitler Jugend, and five years later, the socialist/communist leagues of other countries in Europe created their own youth leagues, such as the Workers’ Youth League in Norway.

This purpose being to raise an ideologically pure next generation of leaders, to continue to push their nation in the direction of the party, be it the philosophy of fascism, or the the philosophy of socialist/communism.

In the case of FDR’s Democrat party, they wanted to push America in the direction of a blend of socialism and national socialism, so their youth league became expert in indoctrinating its members to become the ideologically pure next generation of American leaders.

The Democrat party, in its semi-alliance with the Socialist International, a group of liberal and left wing political parties around the world, shared many of their ideological axioms and goals, such as:

1) Nations have no real reason to exist, and should eventually become just districts of multinational economic blocs, under a unified world government.

2) Heterogeneous cultures, ethnic groups, languages and national history stand in the way of this, so should be undermined until they cease to exist.

3) Political parties and philosophies in opposition to these ideas must either be changed to agree with the ideas of the Socialist International, or must be marginalized.

4) There is tremendous resistance to these ideas by the masses, so gradualism must be used to overcome this resistance, starting with control of education and the indoctrination of children.

In any event, continuing with this *fictional* account, the Democrat party of the United States decided that multiculturalism should replace national pride, ethnic and cultural and religious heterogeneity, to the point where America was no longer substantially different from other nations.

A way to do this was to permit open immigration, legal and illegal, to anyone who wanted it, the more alien to America, its people, culture and religion, the better. And such immigrants would be told that their immigration was only allowed if they were to support the Democrat party.

And so it was done. Countless millions of immigrants from central and South America, Africa, Asia and elsewhere were encouraged to flood into America. And it was coldly calculated that at a particular point, European descended Americans would become a minority, and with the support of the immigrants, America would in effect become a one-party state.

This being the Democrat party, whose youth league would insure that it retained its ideological purity in the face of any setbacks or appeals to reason.

But one man, let us call him “John Brown”, after the great anti-slavery fighter, decided he would no longer allow his country to be destroyed. So he decided to hit the Democrat party in its weak spot, its youth league, its next generation of ideologically pure fanatics that sought to destroy his country, his people, and his religious faith.

He could not stop the Democrats, but he could inhibit them, giving his nation to heal and recover from the continual destructive onslaughts of people who wished to destroy it.

(A fictional account.)


23 posted on 08/24/2012 7:36:56 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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Breivik, 33, will be kept in isolation inside Ila Prison on the outskirts of Oslo inside relatively spacious quarters that include a separate exercise room, a computer and a television.

I got this plan if my retirement money runs out...............

25 posted on 08/24/2012 8:12:44 AM PDT by Starstruck (Only the wealthy and the poor can afford socialism)
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This is not justice.

77 murdered = 21 years in prison, maybe 10 served and he’s free to go?

He may be sane. The Norwegian courts are insane.


27 posted on 08/24/2012 8:50:13 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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Breivik justified his killing spree arguing that the center-left Labour party is deliberately destroying the nation by encouraging Muslim immigration. ...his victims were brainwashed "cultural Marxists" whose political activism would adulterate pure Norwegian blood.

Breivik is 33, so by my calculation his sentence will conclude when he is 54 and rusty.

29 posted on 08/24/2012 9:34:06 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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