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To: jazusamo
I doubt any Conservatives have left Free Republic but a lot of RINOs and libs have.

I have a problem with the whole thread that uses the nomenclature RINO. What gives conservatives either the right or the idea that they get to define what the Republican party is?

I'll absolutely agree that what conservatives (or even better Constitutionalists) believe is what the Republican party *should* be, but it is what it is. If the nominating process gives us a McCain or a Romney, or big-government candidates like both of the Bushes, then who is the RINO? The established party members who get their way cycle after cycle, or the true conservatives who abandon the Republican party when they (once again) nominate someone for whom the Constitution is a distraction, not a core value?

Instead, call them CINOs - Conservatives in name only. The Republican party is not by any means conservative, let alone Constitutionalist.

And yet . . .

The real question we must ask ourselves is whether it would be better to have Romney in the White House, or Obama. That's the choice. It's not Romney or a true conservative. The party apparatus has spoken, and once again a true conservative will not be a viable option - meaning, someone who has a real chance of winning because they are one of the major party candidates (not because of their philosophy). It's Romney or Obama. If you say, "Not Romney" then you're saying, "Yes, Obama." For all his warts, the question is not: Is Romney perfect? The question is: Is Obama worse?

I believe a true Constitutionalist - who can demonstrate that they are - *can* be elected. But it won't be until the Republican party is rebuilt. Because right now, the Republican party is CINO.
67 posted on 08/14/2012 3:08:04 PM PDT by Phlyer
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To: Phlyer

Point well taken on your CINO vs RINO.


83 posted on 08/14/2012 3:43:40 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Phlyer

That may be the choice the GOPe thinks they’ve left us with, but socialist A vs socialist B is what a commie state serves up, not the liberty-loving USA. There’s always a better choice than godless socialism. I’ll vote straight conservative thank you very much.

Obama should be impeached not re-elected and we all know that, even the democrats. If Romney’s not up to the task of defeating him, then I hope all of us conservatives and grassroots tea party types have elected a sufficient number of constitution loving, liberty loving conservatives in the congress and senate to impeach his corrupt usurping butt forthwith.


92 posted on 08/14/2012 4:08:51 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Phlyer

At least GHW Bush, McCain and GW Bush were pro-life.


103 posted on 08/14/2012 4:26:52 PM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: Phlyer; All
The real question we must ask ourselves is whether it would be better to have Romney in the White House, or Obama. That's the choice.

It's a choice between Coke and Pepsi. THAT's the choice.

For the love of God, people, LOOK at the man's RECORD. Anyone -- and I mean anyone -- who reviewed Romney's record without knowing his party, would certainly place him in the D column, and to the left even there. He is a liberal Democrat registered in the Republican party. He is Coke to Obama's Pepsi.

It's not Romney or a true conservative. The party apparatus has spoken, and once again a true conservative will not be a viable option - meaning, someone who has a real chance of winning because they are one of the major party candidates (not because of their philosophy).

Not because of their philosophy, but because of what's on the shelf: Coke or Pepsi. Romney isn't just "not a true conservative." Romney is a died-in-the-wool big government statist who has advanced every single major liberal agenda that I've been voting Republican all my life, in every election since 1976, to oppose, for Pete's sake!!! I have LOOKED at Romney's record. Voting for it is voting for a liberal. Period.

It's Romney or Obama.

Exactly.

If you say, "Not Romney" then you're saying, "Yes, Obama."

Wrong. I'm saying one is the same as the other as far as I'm concerned, and I'll let somebody else make that determination. I'll be voting for a plurality, so that at least whichever one gets in will only have a minority of the vote. His lack of popular mandate will at least make him easier for conservatives in Congress to overpower. If Romney gets a mandate, conservatives will have it WORSE because "the numbers" of a mandate support the claim of Americans overwhelmingly embracing his "progressive" brand of "Republican," so sit down and shut up, conservatives.

For all his warts, the question is not: Is Romney perfect? The question is: Is Obama worse?

In order to honestly answer that question, one has to examine Romney "for all his warts." Very few have done it, though some who have are still determined to vote for him out of pure fear of Obama, nothing else, and hold up as the SOLE hope that somehow, that same Congress that couldn't and wouldn't stand up to Obama, would stand up to Romney.

Among the warts they usually miss is Romney's ruthlessness. Romney plays hardball and he'd be playing it with every conservative in Congress.

Should he win with a popular mandate and proceed to park conservatives in the back seat like children instead of "coming around" like desperate, frightened conservatives and Republicans hope he will, ABOers would wish they never heard of Romney. He IS a LIBERAL. Voting for liberals guarantees a bad outcome. Sad, hard, but true.

The difference is that liberal Romney plays hardball. Obama is a weak fraud. Congressional Republicans and conservatives would unite and successfully fight the latter. They'd get slaughtered by the former.

I'm voting for a plurality.

242 posted on 08/15/2012 1:47:21 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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