Exclusive: Brigham Young’s Great-Great-Granddaughter on Mormonism and Mitt Romney

Daily Beast ^ | August 7, 2012 | Jamie Reno

[greyfoxx39]

Well, it's been an entertaining and educational 350 posts. I didn't expect such popularity, especially with the posting glitch in my article. I want to thank all the screamers for turning what I imagined to be a 100 post thread into a much larger venue for the lurkers to experience.

The thread has gone from our being accused of dragging someone into the thread against their will to my approving of 9/11 from some of these posters who have screamed "hate, hate, hate" while accusing me of hate. Then we have the "look at me" divas trying to derail the thread entirely.

I particularly love the comment about "get back to the Religion Forum where you belong", LOL...now we have "conservative segrationist" on FR. BTW, the MittBots and mormon apologists flaunt the Religion Forum rules in a very Obama-like manner.

I think a fair read of the thread would show where the enmity is and the attempt to build up Mitt Romney lies.

Break time for me. Y'all have a good time now, ya hear? I thank your for your efforts.

[Tamzee]

You are wasting your time posting to me. I think you are ill and I have nothing but pity for you :-(

[doug from upland]

Ditto to that

[NoGrayZone]

"I particularly love the comment about "get back to the Religion Forum where you belong", LOL.."

I am far from a mitt-bot. Still recovering from my cuts and bruises in the primary....Sarah, Herman, then Newt.

As I have stated, a few times prior, unless a MIRACLE happens between now and the convention, I have to ask myself.....a mooslimb who is out to destroy America, ON PURPOSE, or a Mormon who we can "push" to the right.

Unless Sarah becomes available on the Republican ticket, and I'm stuck with a mooslimb or Mitt....I must choose Mitt.

A slower death enables us to fight back. A quick death....not so much.

[Tamzee]

Gratitude to all of you and the others who continue to bring voices of sanity to these threads. Whenever I read them and get so discouraged I think of leaving Free Republic, I see some of you step forward into the bullying and it convinces me to stay.

Thank you...

[Las Vegas Ron]

I wouldn't be spending time here educating the masses about a false prophet and false religion and an attempt to turn the US into a theocracy. All of your vitriol just shows who YOU are.

Lol...you're delusional.

Mormon's want to change the US into a Theocracy (you have no evidence), bammie is currently doing it (gonorrhea, oops, I mean shi!rea, and you advocate keeping him (bammie) in office???

When one finds him self in a moral dilemma, one should examine his morals ~ Ayn Rand.

Your post is hysterical!

We all know Romney is not the candidate of choice, the problem is, the alternative is utter destruction.

[Las Vegas Ron]

Thanks FRiend, your tag line is right on the money too!

Crazy times indeed...**sigh**

[NoGrayZone]

You must stay....and contribute. FR is the BEST conservative site.

We all have our grievances and disagreements but we mostly back them up with facts.

How many threads and articles have you had to read to get a complete story?

FR allows us to find the truth. Glad you're staying. =).

[NoGrayZone]

"We all know Romney is not the candidate of choice, the problem is, the alternative is utter destruction."

Amen to that brother.

[Las Vegas Ron]

[SZonian]

"We all know Romney is not the candidate of choice, the problem is, the alternative is utter destruction. "

So in that vein, how is a campaign of "utter destruction" of those on FR who don't agree called for?

[PA Engineer]

Gratitude to all of you and the others who continue to bring voices of sanity to these threads. Whenever I read them and get so discouraged I think of leaving Free Republic, I see some of you step forward into the bullying and it convinces me to stay.

Thank you...

You are welcome. Leaving is what they want people to do. I will keep on challenging them. They have "strength" in their Spam Dog Pack (SDP) only if you allow it. Do not answer their madness and just point out what they are doing. They are a joke and should be treated as thus.

The most egregious thing I see is their efforts to speak for G*d. That should be enough to warn anyone away from engaging in their heretical behavior. Further, what type of person would plagiarize so much without proper attribution. Hardly a major sin when you consider the former. Hang in there.

[Las Vegas Ron]

So in that vein, how is a campaign of "utter destruction" of those on FR who don't agree called for?

Not sure what you mean, can you please elucidate?

[PA Engineer]

So in that vein, how is a campaign of "utter destruction" of those on FR who don't agree called for?

Good question, but directed at the wrong people. You should ask the SPD that. There is no hiding their posting history. The pinging of the pack to destroy Freepers is what created this entire mess.

Are you a member of the SDP?

Four more years of Obama and there will not be a Free Republic website. Just something to consider. Is that something you want?

[Las Vegas Ron]

Are you a member of the SDP?

Please pardon my ignorance, what is "SDP"

Hehe, I'm sure I'll feel like a fool for asking but I don't get the acronym.

[Colofornian]

There is no hiding their posting history

Exactly right.

You've been a FREEPER a dozen years...but you can't even manage to pull your "fair share"-- posting slightly less than 3 threads per year???

Why have you only posted 15 threads the past nine years? (That's not even a couple of threads per year) What do you do the other 363 days of the year???

Why have you left the occasional time-consuming thread-posting work up to others to post threads? What if nobody posted any of these threads?

When are you going to kick in and do your "fair share" of thread-posting?

Do you know that the very thread-gravity -- the posting activity -- that draws potential new FREEPERs into discussions -- are indeed forums?

And do you know that if you're lacking the development of forum production, there's just that many less new & returning FREEPERS who will show up here? And want to be involved then to a greater degree?

Tell you what: I'll match every new thread forum you start producing.

You put one thread up, I will match it.

Based upon your cadre of ad hominem attackers on this thread, the Flying Inmans will start matching your Ad Hominem cadre's thread production headline-for-headline.

[1035rep]

Bookmarked

[Godzilla]

The pinging of the pack to destroy Freepers is what created this entire mess.

Hmmmm, by name who has this 'pack' destroyed, by name.

[Colofornian]

Mormon's want to change the US into a Theocracy (you have no evidence)...

ALL/Lurkers:

Please...as you review the chart below, remember...it doesn't matter whether any of the theocratic Mormon blood cells flow thru Mitt Romney's own veins...

Mitt might not be so inclined to initiate any "overreach" of his own accord or own initiative; Romney has already sworn a vow to consecrate ALL of his resources to "Zion" (the Mormon church). Given the track record, passion, and inclination for political overreach by Mormon general authorities, who knows when a Mormon "prophet" will enter as a "martinet" of sorts and provide some rigid orders -- pulling Romney strings to honor his vow-swearing of resources to "Zion" (the Mormon church)?

This is no Kennedy-Pope parallel because Kennedy never vowed to consecrate all he had to the Catholic church -- and no track record of quotes from Popes from recent generations can be composed to match these quotes below from Mormon general authorities...Please keep in mind that except for the first three statements below, ALL of them were made by Lds leaders between the 1960s and 1980s...and even the third statement was being reprinted in official publications ranging from 1984 in a book -->July 7, 2011 in the Lds church-owned Deseret News!

REASONS TO VOTE THIRD PARTY IN 2012 ELECTION:

1. ROMNEY'S RELATIONSHIPS WITH HIS FUTURE MORMON 'PROPHETS'

UPSHOT: Don't leave the door wide open for Mormon political overreach!

Lds Leader	Chronological 'Prophet' or Fundamental # (or Other Title)	Overlap Areas: Could the President of the U.S. become a 'puppet' to an Lds 'Prophet?' (The Lds Prophets -- in their own words)
John Taylor	Lds 'Prophet' #3	“The Almighty has established this kingdom with order and laws and every thing pertaining thereto…[so] that when the nations shall be convulsed, we may stand forth as saviours…and finally redeem a ruined world, not only in a religious but in a political point of view.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, p. 342, April 13, 1862)
John Taylor	Lds 'Prophet' #3	The LDS Church -- in 2001 -- thought it well to pull this quote from John Taylor to emphasize it: "The Lord...is desirous to show us how to save ourselves, how to bless ourselves temporally and spiritually, intellectually, morally, physically, POLITICALLY..." (Lds Church owned Deseret News, Nov. 19, 1865, p. 2, as quoted in Teachings of Presidents of the Church: John Taylor (2001, p. 178). Also from p. 178: "The idea of strictly religious feelings with us, and nothing else, is out of the question...Our religion is more comprehensive than that of the world...it embraces all the interests of humanity in every conceivable phrase..." (Original source: The Gospel Kingdom, 1943, p. 168)
Orson Hyde	President of the Lds Quorum of the 12 Apostles for 28 years (1847-1875)	“What the world calls ‘Mormonism’ will rule every nation...God has decreed it, and his own right arm will accomplish it. This will make the heathen rage.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 53)
Heber J. Grant	Lds 'Prophet' #7	"Elder Marion G. Romney recalled the counsel of President Heber J. Grant: 'My boy, you always keep your eye on the President of the Church, and if he ever tells you to do anything, and it is wrong, and you do it, the Lord will bless you for it.' Then with a twinkle in his eye, he said, 'But you don't need to worry. The Lord will never let his mouthpiece lead the people astray'" (in Conference Report, Oct. 1960, p. 78)." Cited in Official Lds publication Search the Commandments: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, p. 209 (1984)
Harold B. Lee	Lds 'Prophet' #11	...President Harold B. Lee said: 'We must learn to give heed to the words and commandments that the Lord shall give through his prophet, '...as if from mine own mouth...(D&C 21:4-5)...You may not like what comes from the authority of the Church. It may contradict your political views. It may contradict your social views. It may interfere with some of your social life. But if you listen to these things, as if from the mouth of the Lord himself..." Cited in official Lds publication Remember Me: Relief Society Personal Study Guide I, p. 27 (1989)
Spencer Kimball	Lds 'Prophet' #12	"President Spencer W. Kimball said: '...We deal with many things which are thought to be not so spiritual; but all things are spiritual with the Lord, and he expects us to listen, and to obey..." (In Conference Report, Apr. 1977, p. 8; or Ensign, May 1977, p. 7) Cited in official Lds publication Come, Follow Me: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide 1983, p.12 (1983)
What about Marion G. Romney, cousin to Mitt's father?	Who was he in Lds hierarchy? (Title: 'President' - Top 3 of church as 2nd counselor to both #11 & #12 Lds 'prophets')	"Elder Neal A. Maxwell has said: 'Following the living prophets is something that must be done in all seasons and circumstances. We must be like President Marion G. Romney, who humbly said, '..I have never hesitated to follow the counsel of the Authorities of the Church even though it crossed my social, professional, and political life' (Conference Report, April 1941, p. 123). There are, or will be moments when prophetic declarations collide with our pride or our seeming personal interests...Do I believe in the living prophet even when he speaks on matters affecting me and my specialty directly? Or do I stop sustaining the prophet when his words fall in my territory? if the latter, the prophet is without honor in our country! (Things As They Really Are, p. 73). Cited in official Lds publication, Search the Commandments: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, pp. 275-276 (1984)
Ezra Taft Benson	Lds 'Prophet' #13	Benson speech given 2/26/80 @BYU. Summary: “…remember, if there is ever a conflict between earthly knowledge and the words of the prophet, you stand with the prophet…” (See excerpts re: 3 of 14 'fundamentals' below) Source: Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet
Benson (cont'd)	Fundamental #5	5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time. (My Q: Ya hear that Mitt Romney?)
Benson (cont'd)	Fundamental #9	9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual. (My Q: Still listening, Mitt?)
Benson (cont'd)	Fundamental #10	10. The prophet may advise on civic matters. (My Q: What say ye Mitt?)
B.H. Roberts	LDS Historian and Seventy. Note: Roberts was an elected Democratic Congressman from Utah in 1898 -- but was NEVER seated by Congress because of grass roots uproar vs. Roberts, who took a THIRD simultaneous wife in the early 1890s. Grass roots America collected 7 MILLION signatures on 28 banners and presented them to Congress...in pre-mass media 1800s!	“[T]he kingdom of God... is to be a POLITICAL INSTITUTION THAT SHALL HOLD SWAY OVER ALL THE EARTH; TO WHICH ALL OTHER GOVERNMENTS WILL BE SUBORDINATE AND BY WHICH THEY WILL BE DOMINATED.” The Rise and Fall of Nauvoo, 1900, p. 180
Mitt Romney as POTUS???	Aside from above prophetic impositions, why would Mitt not only honor what these 'prophets' have spoken, but what a future Lds 'prophet' may tell him to do?	The Law of Consecration Oath Mitt Romney has sworn in the Mormon temple (done before marriage/sealing in temple): "You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the law of consecration as contained in this, the book of Doctrine and Covenants [he displays the book], in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and EVERYTHING with which the Lord has blessed you, or WITH which he MAY bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion." Source: What is an LDS Church/Mormon temple marriage/sealing? [Q: Please define 'Zion': The LDS PR Web site (lds.org) defines its primary meaning: "membership in the [LDS] church."]

[Las Vegas Ron]

REASONS TO VOTE THIRD PARTY IN 2012 ELECTION:

Re elect obama?

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