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To: scottjewell; Gilbo_3; stephenjohnbanker
RE :”The question would be as you note, whether they are inept and disorganized and not constant - or just cunningly strategic. Time will tell. I tend to think there is strategy in back of all.

Well let's look at the second possibility closer and gilb0 will appreciate this, the us-versus-them mode that the parties get most of their own voters into by preaching that the other side is evil lends itself to Republicans (or Dems with their Lib issues) convincing them (voters) that they (the party)really want to pass these conservative things but were foiled by the evil other side. So it is the voters and MSM fault because the party doesnt have enough power.
Of course when Republicans DID have the congress and the POTUS 2005 to 2006 the stuff they did pass was hardly gold. But they are different now so trust them, again

I recall a popular Republican excuse here for GWB supporting and signing liberal type bills with Democrats was “...but Democrats wanted Bush to do that....” . Another was “If he didnt do that the Democrats would have attacked him”.

I never found theses excuses very convincing.

93 posted on 08/03/2012 9:35:08 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: sickoflibs

No, the excuses were not convincing.

And still aren’t.


96 posted on 08/03/2012 9:45:44 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: sickoflibs; scottjewell; Gilbo_3

” Well let’s look at the second possibility closer and gilb0 will appreciate this, the us-versus-them mode that the parties get most of their own voters into by preaching that the other side is evil lends itself to Republicans (or Dems with their Lib issues) convincing them (voters) that they (the party)really want to pass these conservative things but were foiled by the evil other side. So it is the voters and MSM fault because the party doesnt have enough power.
Of course when Republicans DID have the congress and the POTUS 2005 to 2006 the stuff they did pass was hardly gold. But they are different now so trust them, again

I recall a popular Republican excuse here for GWB supporting and signing liberal type bills with Democrats was “...but Democrats wanted Bush to do that....” . Another was “If he didnt do that the Democrats would have attacked him”.

I never found theses excuses very convincing. “

RINO/GOPe/House & Senate = Charley Brown/football/Lucy = NO cigar!!


107 posted on 08/03/2012 10:59:01 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: sickoflibs; scottjewell
us-versus-them mode that the parties get most of their own voters into by preaching that the other side is evil

the other side is evil, [as are most all politicians, eventually] but only a tad bit more than *our* side...hence we must hold our noses or we will be overwhelmed by *pure* evil of the left...

and if you refuse, youre voting *for* the other guy...

Republican excuse here for GWB supporting and signing liberal type bills with Democrats was ...

i think my favorites were the ones that acknowledged Ws 'one world' leanings and excused those as trivial, ala the above 'lesser of evils' mantra...

that and how we must *compromise* in the name of good gubmint and to get 1% of reductions/improvements in policies while simultaneously giving away FReedom and leverage by the truckloads, ASSuming that a muslim commie would never hold the reins in the future...

in 2000, if it hadnt been for algore, i couldnt possibly have voted for W...likewise kerry in 04...mcqueeeeeeeeeq was a no brainer, and the addition of SP with limited background info available at the time [and the hopey for changey in mcqueeegs body temp] are the only reasons he even was considered...

fool me once, shame on you, fool me every election cycle in my adult voting life, i deserve the BS that either in power party will continuously feed me...the sh!t sammich is the house special...

109 posted on 08/03/2012 12:13:47 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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