Posted on 08/02/2012 12:00:49 PM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
The university psychiatrist who was examining accused movie theater shooter James Holmes found his behavior so erratic that she brought it to the attention of a group that measures the possibility of violent campus threats.
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Maybe colleges need to stop refusing to share anything about a student over 18 with his parent or guardian if a therapist recommends it
hell, the parents couldnt even get this guy’s’s grades much less reports on his medical condition or drop-out status unless he signed papers authorizing the University to share
But as a corollary, I don’t care if he’s nuts (obviously) or not. Try, convict and execute.
You have to live with organic mental illness to know how absurd this is. Yeah crazy people take medications because they are..crazy. However, the craziness came before the meds! And sometimes it takes a lot of tweaking to find the right meds and they control but not cure the illness, and sometimes the patient doesn't take them or abuses them or self medicates to try to feel.... normal..or something else..... and sometimes there is a bad reaction to the drug and it backfires as sadly happened to some I knew. The attempt at treatment fails. This guy sounds like he was deconstructing and seeking to use his flawed brilliance to become more "powerful" as he assumed a fantasy character persona. That does suggest drug abuse. He could have induced his own psychosis by self medicating on something she prescribed or something he cooked up himself in the lab. It happens.
I believe the courts were trying to order Jared Loughner to take his meds so he was sane enough to be tried
Oh puleeze.
Please provide the citations.
He was an adult. I see no reason why the university should share info with his family. The family should require their son to allow them to look at his University records on condition of paying for any of it or co-signing on any loans with the student ... but that’s between family members.
My brother-in-law just went through this with his daughter. She had the master password to her University account and she changed the parental password so they could not go in and see her grades. They said “fine, but don’t expect us to pay any more toward your university”. She reset the password for them.
“There’s nothing you can legally do about someone exhibiting strange behavior until that behavior crosses the line and he actually DOES something dangerous to himself or others.”
I know that in many states - if not most - that’s simply not true. In Washington State, two doctors can swear you’re a present danger to yourself or others and have you put on in-patient watch for 72 hours.
It rarely happens though, because of the potential litigation.
What needed to be done that wasn’t done was to stop interfering with our Constitutional right to bear arms. As long as we have that right and can freely exercise it, it doesn’t matter much when these crazies decide to blow their top, we will just put them down with a minimum of suffering and keep the rest of our freedoms intact.
I was not, for one moment, arguing against the worth of psychiatric medicine.
I speak as one who has dealt with these issues for three close relatives, two of whom have had multiple hospitalizations for mental illness. I KNOW how hard it is to get treatment and how hard it is on families and friends who are essentially powerless to help someone who doesn’t want help.
Medical treatment, particularly targeted medication, can bring a patient back to reality and a good life. To use your word, psychiatric treatment is impotent only when it is not used.
Are you advocating a police state? You can’t just search someone’s house/apt. because you feel like it. It’s a lot easier to sound smart using hindsight.
As for comparing this to Penn State, that’s ridiculous. People saw Sandusky committing child rape. James Holmes had committed no crime previous to his rampage.
You can’t be serious.
What “little bit of investigation” are you suggesting? A break-in?
Short of a court-ordered search warrant, there is no way to force a psycho to let you see what he’s up to. And no judge is going to issue a search-warrant without evidence.
Which brings us back to the starting line.
However, will that stand up when families of victims want to sue the University?
I bet it won't! In any case, it is high time for some clarity in this because innocent people are being murdered outright!
As I’ve stated in another post, I’ve been through this with three relatives. Fortunately, in our cases, no one got hurt.
Somehow families and friends need more power to force a mentally-ill person into evaluation and treatment. I have no answers, but plenty of frustration.
In the case of a first-time offender, as both Holmes and Loughner were, I don’t know how we can ever act pre-emptively. One thing we can do with those who are judged a danger and locked up temporarily is to require continual follow-up and medication and arrest anyone who does not stay in compliance.
As it is now, a demonstrably ill patient can be forced into confinement and treatment, but only until he is again mentally competent. That is often just days or, at the most, weeks. Then he’s set free without compulsory supervision, and he goes off his meds in a short time.
And it starts all over again.
The colleges don’t make those privacy rules. They are the (unfortunate) law. Wasn’t always that way, but rather a result of all this “right to privacy” crap.
I contend that if I’m paying for school or medical treatment for someone over 18, I should have access to documentation regarding what I’m paying for. But colleges and doctors have to follow the law.
Oh, yeah. Been there. And yet how do you structure it so it wouldn't be routinely abused? I wish I had an answer on this one, and I do not. BTT.
That’s true.
Here in Texas, family can sign a warrant that allows law enforcement to take the individual into custody and before a judge, where his mental status is evaluated and where it is determined whether he is a danger to himself or others.
But it doesn’t work very well.
I’ve seen a looney brother-in-law convince judge that the family was just out to get him, then go get in his pickup, with his rifle, and continue frightening the town, family fearing for their own safety. Fortunately, the cops in a nearby village stopped him on a traffic violation and were able to lock him up and get him committed.
He was out again in a week.
The current system just doesn’t work.
From what I understand, Holmes was just fine at
UC Riverside. I watched a UCR Dean speak very highly of Holmes.
During his time at UCR, he was awarded a grant to study at the
Jonas Salk foundation in La Jolla CA.If there was any abnormal behavior,
it occurred at CU Anschutz Denver Med center.Why did Holmes need or require a shrink ?
Who initiated the service ?
Was he prescribed Psychotropic drugs by Fenton.
Fenton has been disciplined for distributing drugs without documentation.If so for what reason?
How did Holmes go from a very promising student
to a nut case in less than a year ?James Holmes' Father - LIBOR
If this information is correct, James Holmes' father, Robert Holmes,from Godlike Productions
is a VIP with American Credit Score Company and is about to appear before Congress
regarding this LIBOR scandal. Guess what? Now, he is having to focus attention on this
ordeal with his mind-controlled son. This could be the reason his son was chosen as
the Manchurian candidate for yet another staged event aimed at convincing the masses
that gun control is necessary for the safety of the public.
You are so right.
When my youngest entered college, the university apologetically told parents at orientation that they would not be able to share student grades and other info with us because of privacy laws. They did, however, provide each parent with a legally worded release for the student to sign that allowed parents access to all student records.
When they’re 18 and still a legal dependent, you have leverage.
I love that school.
Dear me. That’s as crazy as Holmes is, which is saying a lot.
“I contend that if I’m paying for school or medical treatment for someone over 18, I should have access to documentation regarding what I’m paying for. But colleges and doctors have to follow the law.”
Yes; that’s why you should insist that your adult offspring sign a Buckley Amendment waiver, in the case of college expenses, if you are paying the cost.
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