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To: Hostage
And if you don’t like it then Shut UP and pay your income taxes.

There are more than just the two choices.

If it wasn't for the leviathan that would have to be created to administer a prebate that could all be eliminated by just not taxing food, health care, primary housing and the energy to heat/cool it, I could support the idea.

I'm all for eliminating the income tax (repeal the 16th), and replacing it with a 10% sales tax on all but the above items, then shrink government to fit the budget.

21 posted on 08/01/2012 12:09:57 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

> “There are more than just the two choices.”

Duh....never thought of that. I must be retarded. But I know one thing, for those that study tax history, tax policy, and who have read or talked to those that authored the FairTax legislation, to such people three is only ONE choice, because all other choices stink.

> “If it wasn’t for the leviathan that would have to be created to administer a prebate that could all be eliminated by just not taxing food, health care, primary housing and the energy to heat/cool it, I could support the idea.”

Boy are you ever misinformed. I can see you have not even read the HR 25 proposed legislation. Let me put it in context, the legislation for the new tax code is about 128 pages long compared to tens upon tens upon tens of thousands of pages of Income Tax Code and associated regulations. There is no excuse for not having read the FairTax code. It is simple, inspirational, brilliant in its simplicity. It has passed every Constitutional check and test. What I am saying is it obvious to me that you have not read the legislation. It is obvious to me that you picked up what opinion you have by reading others who malign it, slander it and try to create confusion about it.

The FairTax Rebate provision is one of brilliant parts of the code. It is simple, CANNOT BE MANIPULATED by Congress for different interest groups. I will answer why later.

The REBATE is a statement of the following fact:

IN A FAIRTAX AMERICA, THERE ARE NO FEDERAL TAXES ON INDIVIDUALS BELOW THE LEVEL OF ESSENTIAL LIVING.

The level of essential living is uniformly calculated for all of America as the federal poverty line and has been calculated by a well-worn seasoned means tested formula for decades.

All the Rebate does is to make sure no one except foreigners pays taxes on the essentials of living.

What can Congress do with the Rebate? They can raise it but they must raise it uniformly for every qualified person because of the Uniformity Clause of the US Constitution. This is the same clause that is used to set the FICA tax at the same rate for every working person on payroll in America.

Now why can’t Congress manipulate it for different groups? Because without the 16th Amendment they must administer a tax uniformly. If they jigged different rebates for different constituencies, they would be taxing some groups less than others and the US Constitution will only allow that if the 16th Amendment is in effect. It won’t be in effect under the FairTax.

The Rebate is the SAME FOR EVERYONE. All it does is ensure no one pays taxes below the poverty line. Congress can raise the poverty line threshold and that’s fine with me as it means I pay less tax at the retail register. But if they increase the Rebates for everyone (tax cut), then they have less revenue for federal government and that is a good thing.

Now are you starting to see how the Rebate is brilliant and wanted? The Rebate is a TAX CUT!

And how easy is it to administer the Rebate? It’s easy for the Federal Government to do it. They have already done it in the last years of GW Bush. They returned 144 million checks of tax rebates for ‘stimulus’. Remember that? Yeah, it’s easy for governments to print and cut checks and send them out. The Rebate will not be a problem.

Remember the Rebate is a RETURN OF TAXES PAID AT THE RETAIL REGISTER so that no one is taxed below the poverty line. Makes perfect sense to me.

>”I’m all for eliminating the income tax (repeal the 16th), and replacing it with a 10% sales tax on all but the above items, then shrink government to fit the budget.”

Again if you had read the FairTax Code in the legislation you would understand that it is set at 14% of all retail sales with a kicker of 9% to keep the government from sinking. Now we may not like the way that sounds but we will like it once we understand why the authors wrote it that way TO BEGIN WITH.

The reason it is set at 14% + 9% is because it will never pass if it sinks the government and all the entitlements. For those of us that cry CUT THE SPENDING, the FairTax cuts the spending, how? Every year Congress must vote on the rate; every year. That means every year we see if Congress is voting to cut our taxes or raise them. IT’S TRANSPARENT. WE FINALLY GET TO SEE WHAT THE FRICK THEY ARE DOING WITH OUR LIVES AND FREEDOM.

So that’s why there is the 14% because that is the target. The aim is to cut the rate from 14% + 9% to just 14%.

The FairTax is brilliant. All the political fights have been anticipated and the legislation was written to win those fights. The only thing that remains is to educate the public and apparently you have swallowed democrack education that the Rebate is somehow an entitlement, it is not.

Congress is a fight. It is about who tells the most convincing lies or whether truth prevails. For those carrying the FairTax is like a football ball carrier having to dodge, duck, weave, jump and break into the open. Every tax reform proposal will be tackled and stomped on by the asshats in the District of Corruption. But the FairTax wins all the debate points; every one of them.

But you have been used as a tool by the left who have misinformed you and others like you that the FairTax Rebate is Bad for America. I call BS!

THE REBATE IS A TAX CUT! AND IT IS UNIFORMLY APPLIED MEANING IT IS THE SAME FOR EVERYONE! AND IT CAN’T BE MADE DIFFERENT FOR DIFFERENT GROUPS!


27 posted on 08/01/2012 7:49:45 PM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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