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To: wintertime
So?...If I were to win a place on the socialist-entitlement school collective, how is it possible to correct the following:

Your absolutely correct. YOU can't do anything, but it is not for the reasons you state, it is because you would rather sit and whine.

All of those questions you ask about can be dealt with as I have said by "All of the above" approach. For those that are happy with the system, great they can keep it. For the rest a voucher system that follows the student. Whether it is Private, Parochial, vocational, magnet, home schooling... etc.

This is the approach I have advocated since the day I "met" you.

But this will never happen unless parents and other citizens actually get involved. People need to run for school boards, congress etc... and change the system from with in like I am doing.

The system did not get broken over night and it won't get fixed over night, we may not see it in our lifetimes, but you need to do more than sit in front of your computer and whine.

There are two approaches to change: evolution and revolution, with evolution, there is much less bloodshed and fewer bodies in the street.

I also appreciate your posts it lets people see both the kook fringe approach and the more rational but just just as passionate approach that I have.

96 posted on 07/31/2012 4:12:38 AM PDT by verga (Every single cult leader has believed in Home schooling, think about it.)
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To: verga
Ideas, verga, are the most powerful things in the world.
97 posted on 07/31/2012 4:49:24 AM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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To: verga
( Dallas Sun, ...Perhaps the following will address some of the issues that you outlined in your post to me.) Verga,

Seriously, you claim to be changing " the system from with in ( sic)....". How is it possible in any way to correct the following? These are problems that are intrinsic to a compulsory, socialist-entitlement, and godless program. How are you changing the following "from within"?

If the godless schools are made into a God-centered schools wouldn't this trash the religious freedom of conscience of those who are secular humanists in the community? Children in godless classrooms must think godlessly just to cooperate. How could it be otherwise?

If the godless schools remain godless isn't this trashing the First Amendment religious rights of those who firmly believe in God? How could it possibly be respectful to the child and his parents to have the government force a child to think and reason godlessly? Please remember that all children whose parents can not find a private school, ( there are none in my county and many other counties in this nation) or homeschool are under police threat to attend a godless government school.

Why should any taxpayer be forced, under the threat of armed police and court action, to pay for the godless or God-centered indoctrination of their county's children? How can this be compatible with the First Amendment?

Surely you are aware that the taxpayers, parents, and children are all greatly impacted (in a religiously non-neutral manner) by the non-neutral content of curriculum and school policies by either decision, (godless or God-centered). How would you resolve the conflict of religiously non-neutral schools, non-neutral content. non-neutral policies and non-neutral consequences with the First Amendment and the establishment of religion?

If you were to lobby to have schools that were either prison-like or not prison-like and Prussian-model or non-Prussian model, wouldn't this negatively impose on the freedom of conscience of those who want the opposite of your preference? Why would it be more just for you to crush the freedom of conscience of other families than it is for them to crush your freedom of conscience?

How is it possible to have a religiously, culturally, and politically neutral school? ( Answer:It isn't.) So?....Why would it be more just for you to impose your non-neutral religious, political, and cultural worldview on others?

How is it possible to have a government owned and run school that doesn't trash and strictly suppress all of the child's First Amendment Rights ( speech, press, assembly, expression of religion, and establishment of religious worldview)? If you wouldn't want others doing that to you and your children, why would you feel justified in doing that to others? By having government trash First Amendment Rights by government employees in its schools, don't children risk learning to be compliant prisoners of the state? Do you think training children to be prisoners of the state is a good thing?

Do you see the problem, verga? Government schools can't be fixed. We must begin the process of privatization. On the question of vouchers, charters, and tax credits we agree. Hopefully, though these means we can, safely, cautiously, and gradually achieve complete separation of school and state.

By the way, thank you for the opportunity to bring these questions to the attention of other Freepers.

99 posted on 07/31/2012 6:09:40 PM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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