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To: Olog-hai; central_va
I recall that the German-U.S.S.R. "free trade" was something to get around the military arms restrictions of the Treaty of Versailles --

Germany was prohibited from almost all things military.. the Soviet Union offered them a way..

"The Soviets offered Weimar Germany facilities deep inside the USSR for building and testing arms and for military training, well away from Treaty inspectors' eyes. In return, the Soviets asked for access to German technical developments, and for assistance in creating a Red Army General Staff."

(From a wiki source.) The Soviets with German technology helped build another German war machine even before Hitler.

Today of course there are no such duplicitous and evil schemes.. the Communist Party has indeed faded away and the workers in the paradise of the democratic Republic of China don't care about being a great power they just love to make inexpensive and great things for the Americans. . . . all is well.. except for the problems caused by the "protectionists nut jobs." :)

94 posted on 07/29/2012 8:36:02 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Today of course there are no such duplicitous and evil schemes.. the Communist Party has indeed faded away and the workers in the paradise of the democratic Republic of China don’t care about being a great power; they just love to make inexpensive and great things for the Americans. . . . all is well.. except for the problems caused by the “protectionists nut jobs.” :)
I tried coming up with a good meme snowclone to match this, but nothing’s coming to mind right now that would be really witty.
97 posted on 07/29/2012 8:54:41 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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For anyone interested. This discussion has raged for a decade at least. Here's a recent study that might help. Maybe.

I tend to be on the side that is maligned as "protectionist" and I have always wondered why foreigners invest here while our guys say that they cannot do business here and are forced offshore; maybe this study explains it where even I can understand.

I am a proud "protectionist" and I have had my fill of contumely this year --

So don't waste band width just to call me names.

(I got a five years worth of hate for posting an opinion that people should not loose their pythons in the wilds -- even the "cute" little bull pythons. The bull python lovers went nuts that I was suggesting that their pets were as dangerous as a loaded gun.)

The study says "On a historical cost basis, or book value basis, the Department of Commerce estimates that by the end of 2009, U.S. firms had accumulated $3.5 trillion worth of direct investment abroad, compared with the $2.3 trillion foreign investors had spent to acquire or establish businesses in the United States, when direct investment is measured at historical cost."

Acquire businesses? Ya mean like Japan did 20 years ago buying just about everything -- and losing same.

Establish business -- now that's the ticket. That's what I am asking about. Maybe the study will explain how those managers can operate a successful business despite the government hindrance. Maybe not.

(a PDF file) Outsourcing and Insourcing Jobs in the U.S. Economy: Evidence Based on Foreign Investment Data; James K. Jackson, Specialist in International Trade and Finance; May 10, 2012

129 posted on 07/29/2012 7:47:40 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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