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1 posted on 07/27/2012 6:42:00 PM PDT by NoLibZone
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“In California, GOP Fights Steep Decline,”

In California, Californians Fight Steep Decline of the state.

So, who's the biggest loser there?

Certainly, not the Californians. In fact, Californians are leaving in droves.

(Problem is, they remain liberal wherever they go, bringing their decrepit politics with them, and damaging the new areas where they settle.)
51 posted on 07/27/2012 8:11:58 PM PDT by adorno
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America is on a long and steady slope toward socialist anarchy and it can not be turned around. I’ll be long gone when the SHTF but hit the fan it will at some point. There is just no avoiding it. Teach your children well because some future generation will be the one to bear the brunt and only the strong, the prepared and the street smart will survive.


57 posted on 07/27/2012 8:22:45 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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Well then... we shall part ways again... and if it comes to that... it will happen this time. We may not end up being 50 States but we will be America. We will wall up the rest and let them eat one another.

LLS


58 posted on 07/27/2012 8:26:52 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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Probably true, and frankly, the GOP have no one but themselves to blame. By running away from conservatism, they’ve completely lost track of the narrative of America.

The economy is in the dump, unemployment is out of control, retirement accounts are decimated - seemingly no end in sight. People are terrified. Sadly, offering freedom, liberty and self-responsibility is a tough sell in that environment. A tipping-point number of Americans now want someone to take care of them, and Barrack Obama, the Dems and the much of the GOP are more than happy to oblige.

Conservatives are on their own. Arrange your asset-protection plan accordingly.


72 posted on 07/27/2012 8:43:32 PM PDT by WeatherGuy
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Especially for the long run. Most favored constituents depend on government directly or indirectly for their incomes. For the time being they own politics. And real, private sector (what’s left of it—excludes services dependent mostly on government-supported customers) conservatives won’t forget any time soon what’s happening to them and their loved ones.

Toward the other end of the default process, most favored constituents will lose all that they are now getting. Won’t be much money going into campaigns then.


84 posted on 07/27/2012 9:11:18 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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Buchanan’s wrong, too, BTW—just wrong. ;-)


85 posted on 07/27/2012 9:12:40 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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If the GOP dies, it won’t be because of demographics. It will be because of selfish elitists and opportunists who hold the reins of power within the party and do their best to maintain control of the shrinking pie.

Conservative columnists in D.C. and New York are part of the elite crowd. Maintaining the status quo is how they guarantee their own livelihood. Look and see how many of them supported Romney and did their best to submarine his opponents. Some conservative radio talk show hosts fall in that group as well.

Either the whole bunch gets pushed aside, or a new conservative party is formed while the GOP fades away. The status quo for the Republican leadership is close to being status gone. They aren’t acting on behalf of conservatives or conservative ideals. They’re acting for their own interests and watching out for their buddies, and growing the federal machine the same as the Democrats.


88 posted on 07/27/2012 9:42:43 PM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil)
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The GOP is NOT dead. It's conservativism that's dead. The GOP is no longer conservative.
93 posted on 07/27/2012 10:04:10 PM PDT by LouAvul
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The GOP is dead to me. Now. Today.

They are the new Whigs.

The democrats are the communist party.

The republicans are the new democrat party.

Conservatives have been pushed aside and will need to regroup somewhere eventually. The GOP pushed them out at their own peril.

So be it.

Sad how many supposed conservatives are willing to vote for a proven liberal.

Voting for your ideological enemy is far beyond pragmatism.

It is hypocrisy.

It is saying one thing and doing another.

A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

94 posted on 07/27/2012 10:18:22 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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There are currently two threads alive generated by pieces written by Patrick J Buchanan. Visceral reactions to Buchanan are typically over-the-top. For the most part they represent a reflex to shoot the messenger. In one article Buchanan is telling us that our foreign entanglements are not working and are counterproductive. In the second article Buchanan is telling us that Republican politics are not working and demographics are about swamp us. He is right on both counts.

Anyone willing to don a green eye shade and look at America's balance sheet understands that we are out of money to maintain a global imperium. Posters who denigrate Buchanan and want to defend America against China must somehow deal with the anomaly that $.40 of every dollar we spend to defend ourselves from China is borrowed from China, or some other foreign power.

Anyone with access to an electoral college map can compare the color shadings since 1980 and only the purblind, but not even the colorblind, can deny that Republicans are losing geography as they lose demographics. The problem is not geographic it is demographic, economic, cultural, psychological and racial; the geographical shrinkage is but a symptom of a problem which is ineluctable.

Obama will lose this election in spite of the numbers on the ground because he has overreached but the Democrats will increasingly win national elections in coming cycles. Pat Buchanan is right and has been right for decades while his critics have been wrong.

Pat Buchanan has committed one unpardonable sin, he has offended political correctness. So long as he is in a posture in which he can be blackguarded as anti-Semitic, which on the right has become the equivalent of being opposed to shackling American foreign policy to Israel, he will be dismissed or worse. Buchanan is a paleoconservative and rejects the neoconservative notion that Americans must wage war as he no doubt believes we have been doing for a decade against the Muslim world on behalf of Israel.

This is a revolutionary thought, but Buchanan can be an anti-Semite and still be right about the wisdom of our foreign policy concerning Israel. He can be wrong about our foreign policy concerning Israel and be right in observing that making war in Afghanistan by blowing up buildings and then rebuilding buildings has very little to do with protecting America against 19 box cutter wielding Islamicists flying airplanes into American buildings. He can be wrong about everything else and still be right about our principal danger lying on the Mexican border. He can be wrong about many things and be right about the fundamental fact that we are out of money and will soon be out of options.

Ad hominem attacks are the weakest kind of rebuttal.

Buchanan has committed yet another unpardonable sin, he has defected from the Republican establishment. Are you old enough to remember his great convention speech? There is nothing in that speech about which The Tea Party would complain about today. It was utterly prophetic. It went unheeded and the fundamental problems which tint the colors of the electoral map have metastasized since. Many of the very people who denigrate Buchanan are the same elitists who have disenfranchised conservatives from the Republican Party. The Republican establishment could not tolerate Buchanan then and they cannot tolerate him now.

We conservatives would do well to identify our true enemies as well as our true problems and not indignantly spasm out in a reflex to shoot the messenger.


103 posted on 07/27/2012 11:41:30 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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The irony here is that dems consider republicans to be greedy. However, it’s the dems who routinely vote themselves more and more loot from the treasury.


118 posted on 07/28/2012 10:19:29 AM PDT by matt1234 (Bring back the HUAC.)
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This is the ghost of the future of America — just like the ghost of Christmas to come in “Scrooge.” It is what might be, necessarily what will be, as the ghost told Ebeneezer.

The forces that brought us to this point are already reversing. Since 2007, the number Hispanic households has not been increasing, according to research by the Joint Center for Housing Studies at Harvard. This is part of the fallout from the Great Recession. What is happening is that the number of new Hispanic households form new immigrants has been equal to the number of Hispanic households that are returning back to Mexico and beyond.

The Joint Center’s study only went through 2010 — the trends could be even more stark in 2011 and 2012 given the weakening economy and the number of Hispanic households could decline.

The number of Hispanic voters is actually expected to decline this year from 2010 and 2008. You see the changing demographics in California, which has suffered the most from uncontrolled immigration. Southern California is becoming more Asian and slightly less Hispanic. In some smaller towns in northern California, whole Hispanic populations have left and gone away, to people’s shock.

Birth rates in Mexico and Latin America are falling and are expected to go below replacement level. Thus, the pressure to migrate to America will decline. Mexico’s economy is doing better; that’s why people are going home.

The GOP needs to make a firm commitment to end all illegal immigraiton and then rewrite immigration laws to once again favor Europe. This can be done gradually and piecemeal. Just as Teddy Kennedy got exemptions for Ireland, coalitions could work together to allow greater immigration from Britain, Germany, Poland, or wherever in Europe. God knows a lot of Greeks are going to clamoring to come here soon, along with Spaniards and Italians.

Immigration from Asia, Africa and Latin America should be sharply curtailed. All immigraiton from Muslim countries should be disbarred forever.

If these steps were taken and we had a vibrant economy, the slide in the share of Americans that are white would stop declining and stabilize. I think we need to do this to save America from its demise.

Call me a racist. I really don’t give a damn. We need to focus on immigrants who can bring something of value to our nation and who will be assimilated and be willing to become proud Americans. That means immigrants from Europe and Russia, pure and simple.


120 posted on 07/28/2012 12:20:42 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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The GOP may have died when Ike tried to out-Truman Truman and Nixon tried to out-Johnson LBJ. It’s never been able to sustain a long line of success that meant very much. Still I keep voting for it.


141 posted on 07/29/2012 7:00:39 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Past is prologue: The American people again let us down in this election cycle.)
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