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To: PapaBear3625

I’ve fired an AK-47 with a 100 rd drum mag, and it clocked in easily over 40 lb. Then again, that’s a much larger round than the .223 and the drum itself was made with stamped steel as opposed to aluminum.

You ever fired a 12 ga. shotgun with a pistol grip with one hand? I have. I left the range with an imprint of the heat shield on my forehead, a broken nose, and a sprained wrist. That was after firing just one sabot shell. I didn’t drop the shotgun, so it might be possible, but it’s far from practical.

Again, going back to practicality. Regardless of weight, which I admit I may have overestimated, it cannot be practical to commit this sort of atrocity with the armament as described by the MSM.


80 posted on 07/25/2012 10:42:27 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
Just read your last note. Yes, I have shot a 12 gauge one handed. A lot. It was in a self defense course. In fact, it was a Remington 870. A full size shotgun is much easier to shoot one handed than a shotgun with a pistol grip. More weight equals less felt recoil.
126 posted on 07/25/2012 11:05:24 AM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the White House)
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To: rarestia
...it cannot be practical to commit this sort of atrocity with the armament as described by the MSM.

Why not? Hang the AR on your shoulder, stuff the pistol in your waste band and walk in with the 'gauge.

133 posted on 07/25/2012 11:10:07 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: rarestia

Well...

A Chinese made AK, all polymer (heavier than wood), with a fully loaded 100 round drum magazine weighs 15.5 pounds, not 40+ pounds.


144 posted on 07/25/2012 11:20:06 AM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the White House)
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To: rarestia; humblegunner

The drum and AR-15 rifle would have weighed less than ten pounds.

I have shot my pistol grip 12ga with one hand and and it wasn’t that big of a deal. The hand that pulls the trigger takes 99% of the recoil anyway the other hand is just to balance it.


146 posted on 07/25/2012 11:25:47 AM PDT by Eaker (When somebody hands you your arse, don't give it back saying "This needs a little more tenderizing.")
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To: rarestia
I’ve fired an AK-47 with a 100 rd drum mag, and it clocked in easily over 40 lb. Then again, that’s a much larger round than the .223 and the drum itself was made with stamped steel as opposed to aluminum.

The shipping weight of a 500-round case of 7.62x39 ammo is 19.5 pounds, which figures to be a little under 4 pounds for 100 rounds. And I'm very familiar with AK drum mags, and their empty weight is not 36 pounds. The AK rifle weighs 10.5 pounds, the drum mag weight is probably one or two pounds at most, plus 4 pounds for the ammo makes the total around 16 pounds, or twice what a gallon of milk weighs.

You ever fired a 12 ga. shotgun with a pistol grip with one hand?

Yep. Then again, I'm a big guy (there's a reason I'm called papa bear).

151 posted on 07/25/2012 11:30:21 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: rarestia; Eaker
You ever fired a 12 ga. shotgun with a pistol grip with one hand? I have. I left the range with an imprint of the heat shield on my forehead, a broken nose, and a sprained wrist.

That's unfortunate.

Maybe you should work up to that sort of thing from a lower level.

153 posted on 07/25/2012 11:37:46 AM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo, being wily, pities the fool.)
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