That's not correct; Obama would not be the first governmnet official found to have held an office for which he in fact was not eligible, and under the de facto officer doctrine actions taken by him would not be void.
It will be necessary for Congress and a new president to actually repeal laws signed by Obama such as Obamacare.
Also, the Constitution vests exclusive authority in the Congress to impeach, convict and remove a president.
Even if the evidence is established in a court proceeding that the birth certificate was forged, the House would have to vote to impeach and the Senate would have to vote to convict him.
Furthermore, if Obama loses the election, as was the case with Clinton's crimes when he left office, we will hear the refrain "can't we just move on" from both Democrats and Republicans.
And if Obama wins the election with these birth certificate allegations hovering over him, the politicians and the mainstream media will claim that the voters have spoken and do not care about the forged birth certificate and therefore there should be no impeachment proceeding.
We need to both defeat Obama in the election and then we need to press our elected representatives to hold him accountable for his crimes in order to uphold the principle that the rule of law in America applies to all, ESPECIALLY those holding high office.
The probe could dwarf Watergate but it won’t, unfortunately. The media will just ignore it. This guy seems a bit late to the dance hall.
That's the truth. The GOP are a bunch of cowards. The Tea Party needs to work over time to get McCain and Boehner out of office.
>> the refrain “can’t we just move on” from both Democrats and Republicans
Yeah, and upon that refrain, best we compel them to move their pathetic asses out of the realm of governance they regularly abuse, exploit, and dishonor.
Fast & Furious ALONE involves the DEATH/MURDER of hundreds of human beings, including two U. S. law enforcement officials. One in the U.S. and one in Mexico. The cover up is FAR LESS important than the crime involved.
Yet, we have heard NOTHING from the media about the program, or WHY or WHO would ever be approve such a hair brained idea in the first place. Even after Obama endorsed the cover up by claiming Executive Privilege.
If Obama is fraudulent then everything he has done is as fraudulent.
Not only his birth is fraudulent but his Social Security and draft status are fraudulent.
And the Supreme Court is fraudulent if they don’t take this issue up.
I don’t understand why you would say that Obama’s laws, etc. would not be void. If he wasn’t legitimate, then game over, his signature on EVERYTHING would be null and void. If we went with your theory that Congress would have to repeal laws, etc. we would have to assume that Congress would actually do that. I don’t think that you are correct because what would also assume that they would be honest enough to do that.. Why would anyone else be deterred from doing this again except make sure that they have enough Congressmen and Senators to NOT repeal their laws.
It doesn’t make sense. It would be like my writing checks from your bank account and forging your name. I could write checks to friends & family and then it would just be on the honor system that they would return the money? No, it would be found that the checks were not legitimate and the checks would be found to be null and void.
Also, we can’t impeach someone who was never legitimate in the first place. He would be removed from office as well as Joe Biden. Boehner would be put in as President (thank God Nancy Pelosi isn’t Speaker anymore!!)
I’m not a lawyer, but I have been following this story for several years and I have never heard anyone say those things before.....
De facto officer doctrine can only be cited by ignoring the Constitution's own requirements placed on the office; i.e. to invoke it is deprivation of rights under color of law. (The rights being deprived are those of every citizen to a government which follows its binding Constitution.)
Has he seen this:
OBAMA’S KENYAN BIRTH RECORDS DISCOVERED IN BRITISH NATIONAL ARCHIVES
http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2012/07/obamas-kenyan-birth-records-discovered.html
“Constitutional Crises” is putting it mildly. This case will determine if we do in fact have any constitution left.
‘bam, Eric, and Valjar have figured out that the principal “the law does not enforce itself.” They can rule by fiat until the legal apparatus forces them to stop. You can do a lot of stuff in the year or so it takes to file the legal paperwork.
They also know if we catch up with them, they’ll go down for a long time.
Check out Ulsterman’s new post; it gives you a pretty good idea of where they’re trying to take us. Puts it in a whole new perspective.
I feel like I am watching the old movie...
“The Omen”
The Birth Certificate is fraudulent? Wow, this is really new news.
More propaganda. You don’t impeach someone who was and is ineligible to begin with. All acts are then fraudulent and void.
The claim by Sheriff Joe is one thing and one thing only: That the posted BC is a fraud, and I for one consider that assertion as proven. But that contention, even if true and accepted as a true fact; that the BC is a fraud; doesn’t necessarily mean 0bama is not a natural born citizen in our overly parsed world.
Nothing means nothin’. That’s our whole problem. We can think to ourselves, “gee, why would there be a fake BC if there wasn’t something hinky going on”, but our thinking that or even a pile of other people thinking that does not prove anything. It doesn’t (in most cases) even justify investigating things further. I learned this the hard way recently, and it is why I say “the law does not apply itself”.
“The law does not apply itself.” This means that the enforcement of any law absolutely depends upon the existence of and motivation of he who would prosecute you (if it is a criminal case) or sue you (if it is a civil case).
Maybe this seems obvious, even banal. But if there is nobody there to prosecute a crime or sue based upon a tort, or who can afford to sue in a civil case, the law isn’t there, it’s moot, it has no effect. It’s like it was a “No Smoking” sign in a locked room. Nobody sees it, nobody tries to enforce it.
“His presidency would therefore be legally and constitutionally illegitimate. “
What a coincidence. Obama was an illegitimate child. That’s why his mommy had a fake marriage.
His chief investigator says it is full of errors and omissions. My husband’s official death certificate was full of errors and omissions. Among other things it said he was born in 1929 and died in 2005 (correct) and was 45 years old. Obviously, the new math. It also said he died in a facility, while in fact he had died at home with home hospice visiting daily at the end. The home death box had an X which had been erased. I called medicare and told them they should check to see if someone tried to claim hospital/hospice care billing instead of home visit billing.
Arpaio Probe Could Dwarf Watergate
Only if Obama were a Republican.
Are you telling me that if Obama or any other POTUSA were involved in a felony crime and convicted of such a crime he could not be taken to jail before an impeachment process was underway. I Don’t need a lesson on the power of politics or position as I’ve lived through many years of crooked government officials. My query is as to fundamental law.
If Obama visits Arizona again, Sheriff Joe should just go arrest him. Since Obama is a fraud, there’s no Constitutional reason why he cannot be arrested.
This is all very interesting. But nothing is going to come of this.
The Republican establishment isn’t going to do anything even if the investigation turns up an 8mm film of Barack’s momma delivering him a dirt floor in a hut in Kenya. Nor is the Roberts court going to declare him ineligible no matter what the investigation turns up.
Hell, the Republican establishment will not even investigate Hum-a Weiner’s ties to a known terrorist group. What makes anyone think these people give a flying crap where Obama was born? Obama isn’t their enemy. Conservatives are!
....... BWAAAAAHAHAHAHA ..... the only way that would happened would be if the media actually paid attention .... and cared about this!!!! The media cared about Watergate .... thay don't give a rat's arse about anything that would tarnish a socialist insurgent Presidents reputation .... I mean what interest would there be in that? ..... well other than doing the actual responsibility of the press!! ..... But like I say ..... Why would the press be interested in that?