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The concept that the government could or should only “allow” certain people to buy guns stands the very concept of American jurisprudence on its head. It presumes that the government knows all, controls all, and should be doing so. It is wrong and ineffective. It is the opposite of preventing criminals from possessing guns.

It is crazy to set up a huge expensive bureaucratic system, require everyone to jump though hoops and prove that they are *not* criminals in order to try, ineffectively, to prevent the few individuals who are not responsible, from having legal access to guns. This is a failed paradigm, and it should be abandoned. To accept the idea that the all gun sales should be monitored by the government, and only allowed to those it deems satisfactory is fundamentally wrong.

The entire idea of the enterprise has always been the death of a thousand cuts, where the restrictions on who can buy, and where, and how and what are continually increased until the number of gun owners is reduced to political insignificance.

1 posted on 07/12/2012 6:31:28 AM PDT by marktwain
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This attempt by the Feds to figure out which “groups” of Americans are more or less armed is very unsettling.

It takes little imagination to see how this data could be manipulated to generate civil war.


2 posted on 07/12/2012 6:36:27 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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Justice for Trayvon?


3 posted on 07/12/2012 6:38:49 AM PDT by Méabh
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‘“Failure to do so will cause potential criminal prosecution and a denial of Second Amendment Rights,” Nappen writes. “The Form 4473 has been around since 1968, but never before has one ethnic group been singled out where individuals have to affirmatively state whether they ARE or ARE NOT a member.”’

Im not sure this is true. IIRC in the past I’ve always, or at least some times, had to give my race via a check box. I think it varied from ‘white’ to ‘caucasian’ and I cant say what the other choices were b/c they didnt apply. At any rate I never tried leaving that unspecified but I should have. In fact next time I will. If Im denied the govt needs to explain why. I really dont think requiring race would pass legal review.


4 posted on 07/12/2012 6:42:55 AM PDT by 556x45
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I filled one of the new 4473s out yesterday and was quite surprised to see the Latino/Hispanic question on there....I kinda chuckled when I saw it since they’ve been doing it to Whites like forever and ever.
If they’d spend as much time/money putting the “bad guys” away as they do managing that bureaucratic paperwork nightmare, we’d all be better off.


5 posted on 07/12/2012 6:45:06 AM PDT by lgjhn23
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Hispanic, Latino are not races, but for crime reporting purposes, they are lumped in with whites. This seems hypocritical at least.

The 4473 should be race, ethnicity neutral.


6 posted on 07/12/2012 6:46:48 AM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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...identify...“Hispanic or Latino,”...

Is there a difference? How can I tell by looking?

9 posted on 07/12/2012 7:33:19 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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The only constitutional question would be: “Are you a Muslim?” as they are, by their own admission, at war with us and want to overthrow the government of the USA and institute their Mental Illness of Sharia as the basis of our laws.

If they check YES then not only should they be denied gun ownership but deported or imprisoned. It IS WAR after all.


10 posted on 07/12/2012 7:59:04 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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