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Are We Being Too Hard On John Roberts?
CE.com ^ | July 5th, 2012 | Ken Connor

Posted on 07/05/2012 7:14:59 PM PDT by Salvation

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To: Drew68
Obama campaigned on enacting Obamacare. Obama won the election. Obama enacted Obamacare. Gotta give the guy credit, he did what he said he was going to do.

True, both him and his partners in crime, Pelosi and Reid, they fought like street fighters with the intent to win while many on our side fought by the Marquis of Queensbury rules and lost. We need to be like Rocky Balboa and take the fight back to the and win.

Blame the voters who elected Obama, not Roberts for stepping aside and letting Obama do what a majority of our fellow Americans elected him to do, as ugly an uncomfortable as it is.

We got a large number of people who are willing to be lead like sheep, womb to the tomb social security and let The Man decide things for them. We were talking about this at work. They are like the carp at Pymatuning Lake in Northwest PA, you see millions of them line up and gasp their mouths for people to feed then free bread and food. It is so massive, even the ducks and geese walk on the fish. As long as you have people feeding them, they will be there waiting and expecting their food instead of going out in the lake to look for it.
121 posted on 07/05/2012 9:35:02 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (June 28th, 2012, the Day America Jumped The Shark.)
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To: Salvation

No, we are not. He screwed up.


122 posted on 07/05/2012 9:35:22 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: I see my hands; Yehuda; ladyL; F15Eagle; 444Flyer; little jeremiah

Compare:


SOL waves RED FLAG WARNING on 23 Aug 2001


Obama writes RED WARNING on [RED] FLAG Day, @ 1WTC, 14 June 2012

Obama's "We" is not "We the People", it's "We the destroyers, usurpers, illegals, deadbeats, MUSLIMS, degenerates, IRS, Pelosi and her ilk in Congress and the rest of government, including 5/9 of the USSC"

IOW, Amalek.

123 posted on 07/05/2012 9:41:48 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: Salvation

No.

Roberts will deserve the infamy that is now his.


124 posted on 07/05/2012 9:47:13 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: dps.inspect

Who is Ken?


125 posted on 07/05/2012 9:47:30 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Timber Rattler

Weren’t there other justices involved in this mess? The problem is bigger than Roberts; target your criticism appropriately.


126 posted on 07/05/2012 9:51:26 PM PDT by gortklattu (God knows who is best, everybody else is making guesses - Tony Snow)
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To: oldtimer

“Who knows, he might have gotten a call from some people from Chicago.”

..informing him they have photos of him with a goat..


127 posted on 07/05/2012 9:55:36 PM PDT by howlinhound (Live your life so that, when you get up in the morning, Satan says, "Oh Crap!..He's awake" - Unknown)
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To: Salvation

Being hard on Roberts?

He could be tossed in a jail cell with a homo gimp wearing leather and studs named Fist’m & Bang’m who has been juiced on redbull and Viagra and it still wouldn’t be hard enough on Roberts.

Just saying....


128 posted on 07/05/2012 9:57:21 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Salvation

What Roberts did was to allow the Democrats to pass a huge
tax hike without having to sell it to the American people as such.
That is the LEAST that he did wrong and it is unforgivable.


129 posted on 07/05/2012 10:01:16 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal Red Turf)
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To: Salvation; Lurking Libertarian; JDW11235; Clairity; TheOldLady; Spacetrucker; Art in Idaho; ...

FReepmail me to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the SCOTUS ping list.

130 posted on 07/05/2012 10:43:30 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Salvation

I agree with the essence of this article. John Roberts is not the demon here; Obama is.


131 posted on 07/05/2012 10:50:36 PM PDT by nerdgirl
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To: Ken H

No, it’s not Constitutional, but neither is the Department of Education. Our masters don’t seem to care.


132 posted on 07/05/2012 11:01:34 PM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: Salvation

wow. what i tried to post there.

the fact that he is a lawyer makes his opinion unsurprising. however:

1. this ruling does nothing to restore or protect the commerce clause. wickard v. filburn still rules the day and *none* of the leftist political justices signed on to robert’s opinon. the vote not withstanding, he was writing entirely for himself against the other 8.

2. this ruling lets stand the principle that the federal government can force any living individual citizen to buy a private sector product it deems necessary for the “general welfare” (a phrase in an introductory clause with no limiting function that leftists commonly use to justify their false belief in a “living, breathing” constitution. in fact i believe that roberts actually cited that introductory phrase in his opinion. stunning). show me the enumerated power in the constitution that allows this. show me the founder or framer expressing this federal interpretation of power in the constitution (which express purpose was to limit federal power to the absolute minimum to protect the lives, and private property of states and individual citizens from external threats, other states and criminal individuals). this ruling *creates* a whole new federal power out of whole cloth. how does that square with the fact that the constitution was to hold federal power constant at the level established in 1789 with the only additions being further amendments?

3. finally, the sheer lawlessness of a judge rewriting a statute (substituting an new and itself unconstitutional catagory of tax for a penalty) is something that should demand immediate impeachment. no definition of justice under the constitution allows a judge to make up law on the spot in a constitutional republic. that act is logically excluded from a constitution that holds federal power constant. also, to continue with my refutation of the article above. rewriting a law is not taking the difference between constitutional or unconstitutional interpretation. that implies that an existing law is ambiguous. no, this is tyranny. and roberts is unmasked as a leftist. pure and simple.


133 posted on 07/05/2012 11:02:55 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: Salvation

It’s a dishonest ruling. When te Supreme Court has to employ subterfuge instead of plain English, you know we are in trouble.


134 posted on 07/05/2012 11:58:20 PM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: Tallguy
I fail to understand how Roberts could decide that the “Personal Mandate” is a tax when the case was not argued by the Obama’s lawyers in that way.

Some bad Supreme Court precedent has come from decisions where one side failed to make the best arguments, with the consequence that the Court issued a decision which effectively foreclosed the argument that was not made (because the side failing to make it lost), or else issued a decision based on a totally fallacious argument (because the court realized that the side that made the argument should probably have won for other reasons). What the Court should do in such cases, IMHO, would be to offer up their evaluation of the arguments made thus far, and inform both sides of what better arguments would be. Some people might interpret such behavior as being a sign of "bias", but having the Supreme Court tell the side that should probably win to make the right argument so it can win, would be far better than letting that side win with a bad argument.

135 posted on 07/06/2012 12:06:23 AM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: Salvation
Chief Justice Johnny's on vacation teaching a course on Malta hooking up with one of his law school buddies, Richard Lazarus.

Here they were on the Vineyard back in the eighties:


John Roberts, Don Scherer, Richard Lazarus
Martha's Vineyard, 1980's

Wonder how the climate is on Malta this time of year?

http://www.cile.edu/malta2012final2sm.pdf

Chief Justice Roberts and Professor Richard Lazarus will teach United States Supreme Court in Historical Perspective for one credit.

Anyone know who all might have accompanied the Chief Justice on his Malta vacation gig? Any pics of the nuclear family extant?

136 posted on 07/06/2012 12:09:39 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

I read that he went to Malta without wifey and kiddies.

Maybe on this thread, or someone there knows:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2902707/posts


137 posted on 07/06/2012 12:21:48 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Salvation
Hell To The NO!!!! This bitch dog should be forced to resigned in disgrace and made an example of for future justices.
138 posted on 07/06/2012 1:11:29 AM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: Salvation

No. Where’s the tar and feathers????


139 posted on 07/06/2012 1:16:14 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Salvation
Didn't King Barry appoint two of the Justices who voted on this?

Before even getting to the arguments, by any reasonable interpretation of the rules shouldn't only eight Justices have been hearing this to begin with?

Who didn't know that while King Barry was sure to make horrible court appointments, McCain only may have made bad appointments?

Roberts took the most narrow view he could in keeping with precedent but did make sure it is clearly a tax which means the entire law is illegal on other grounds.

When you elect a sack of crap to be President, that sack of crap, appoints Justices, and Supreme Court decisions therefore always hinge on a single vote, the problem isn't primarily the single vote that decides matters in any given case. It's the millions of finger pointing folks, a good many of whom sat out the last election because they were too pure to vote for McCain, who won't get in the trenches and take over the Vichy Republican Party the way the fascists took over the Democrat Party.

People who refuse to lower themselves to even bothering to vote in order to try and avoid the worst case situation of having someone like King Barry appoint Justices aren't going to do what it takes to repeal the law even if it had been ruled unconstitutional. We have entire bureaucracies that are unconstitutional and those are going strong, so why should a single Justice be held responsible for agreeing with the very same people now raising hell by stating that the Court shouldn't usurp the authority of Congress unless absolutely necessary?

Was it absolutely necessary in this case? That's an entirely different debate and needs to start with why anyone expects a different situation than the mess we're in after 17th Amendment totally destroyed the system of checks and balances that the Founders put in place.

Lynch Roberts, burn him at the stake, whatever you like, and whatever makes you feel better. Just don't don't pretend that would make any difference unless the machinery that passed BarryCare in the first place is cleaned out In fact, it's just lending aid and comfort to your enemies who will get to decide who replaces Roberts.

JMHO

140 posted on 07/06/2012 3:08:57 AM PDT by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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