[jagusafr]

“I don’t think the state has the right to take a couple year of your life absent a true national emergency. The idea that we all inherently owe something to the government is very distateful to me.”

First, thanks for your service and Semper Fi.

Second, I want to be clear that my feeling is that every citizen owes fealty and service (if required) to his NATION, not to his government. I see a distinct difference.

[ZX12R]

Second, I want to be clear that my feeling is that every citizen owes fealty and service (if required) to his NATION, not to his government. I see a distinct difference.

I use to think that way, but not any more. This nation is so fractured now, that there are very large population blocks that couldn't be more separated by culture, ideology, citizen responsibility, and political warfare, that I will never feel like we are one nation ever again. Probably, at least, until I die. Consequently, I think every individual will have to decide whether what they are being asked, is indeed service to the nation, or simply a furtherance of those goals held by the administration at hand. I think what you are referring to, are the days of old where we had at least a few common purposes and goals. Those days are gone, unfortunately.

[Trailerpark Badass]

Second, I want to be clear that my feeling is that every citizen owes fealty and service (if required) to his NATION, not to his government. I see a distinct difference.

How so?

Do you mean some attachment to the land, like burial grounds of our ancestors, or to my fellow citizens, with whom I share a common culture, moral philosophy, and history?