Zimmerman can be released on $1M bond in Trayvon Martin case

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/05/zimmerman-bail-set-at-1m-in-trayvon-martin-case/ ^

[ladyjane]

DallasSun - I received your nasty FReep Mail. Why don’t you put those rude statements out here on the thread for people to see?

Somehow you feel that Trayvon was on his way to college to study aviation. It would have been nice if he had been. However, getting into college with his record would be difficult. If you think that’s racist and I’m never going to get into heaven that is your perogative. And God appointed you to make those decisions when?

[Uncle Chip]

O’Mara’s law partner also said Zimmerman now has zero credibility with a judge who will preside over his Stand Your Ground hearing.

That says more about the prejudicial nature of this judge than it does about Zimmerman. If anyone should have been charged with perjury for the April 20th hearing, it should have been Gilbreath who lied through his teeth about the affidavit that he signed.

He said this judge has no reason to believe anything Zimmerman says.

As I said that says more about this judge's absence of impartiality, objectivity, and fairness than anything the defendant has done or said or didn't do or didn't say.

That O’Mara said much the same thing.

He's signalling that this judge is not impartial and that they cannot get a fair ruling from him and he is right, isn't he???

Now if anyone takes exception to these comments they can tell O’Mara and his partner.

No exception. I think that a fair and balanced judge hearing these things, who is married to a state prosecutor whose office charged GZ back in 2005, who in his order bashed the Zimmerman family, has demonstrated that he is prejudiced and should recuse himself. Don't you think so.

I did not say it. They did.

And they and you were right to bring the prejudicial nature of this judge to our attention. He should recuse himself in order to preserve the integrity of the judicial process that he holds so dear.

[Uncle Chip]

Judge Lester noted that Zimmerman misled his attorney as to his ability to pay because at the initial bond hearing Mr. O’Mara indicated that he would be representing Zimmerman without taking a fee and that he would be filing an Affidavit of Indigency for costs.

Is that the same attorney that said that defending GZ was likely to cost over a million dollars???

Hmmmm and the Paypal account had how much in it -- $155,000 less living expenses and security and expert witnesses and so on.

So he was going to be short atleast $845,000???

What do you bet that even with the Paypal account he still files his Affidavit for Indigency, as his client is more indigent now than before due to the higher bailbond amount that served no purpose other than to create greater indigency.

[Uncle Chip]

Oh Dallas!!! Did you do that??? Shame on you!!! That just shows the weakness of your argument — and your character.

[Beach_Babe]

GZ's blood was on the sleeves of TM's hoodie. I don't think they tested his hands for either so why should find something that they didn't test for. You need to watch some better videos and stay off of you tube.

You are WRONG. There was no blood on the hoodie's sleeves. They tested his hands too ... none there either.

[Beach_Babe]

Dig deeper into your pockets ...

http://www.gzdefensefund.com/

[Beach_Babe]

Actually, I have a problem with the LH/RH video also. I've tried a left-hand draw and it's more than awkward. I can cross my arm over my stomach to reach my waistband on the opposite side, but this makes it hard to pull my pistol from its holster.

But a right-hand draw is next to impossible ... at least the way Zimmerman stated it happened. Here is a snap from the video showing Zimmerman reenacting the moment he pulls the gun. He claims Martin has reached for his gun – now that it has become exposed – and Zimmerman has pinned Martin’s arm with his right arm – while he pulls the gun.

To prove how impossible this really is, look where Zimmerman’s hand can reach while pinning his other arm (representing Martin’s arm). He cannot reach up to his waist band with his right hand, nor can he really draw a gun up and out of a holster. Now look where Zimmerman puts his hand just a few seconds earlier when he indicates where he wears his holster.

A few items to point out here. First is Zimmerman’s holster is worn around the back – which means Martin could not see it if he was sitting on top of Zimmerman with Zimmerman’s back on the ground. Second, there is no way to pin the arm and pull the gun as can be seen in this second position where Zimmerman mimics grabbing his holster. Look where his elbow is. This is all fabrication because it is all physically impossible (line of sight to the holster, elbow length and arm motion).

While there are many discrepancies throughout Zimmerman’s tall tale, some are simply too big to ignore. There is no way GZ could pull his gun as described. On his back with his holster against his hip, his holster inside his waistband, while being pinned by Martin who is supposedly straddling him. This position means Martin's legs are blocking access to GZ’s waist area, as well as the ground and clothing making it impossible to reach and pull a gun. In this position you cannot pull a gun on a wet and rainy night without leaving some evidence on the gun.

There is almost no Zimmerman blood or DNA on Martin. Martin should be covered with blood or DNA from the punching and from the claimed suffocation attempt. But there is none.

There is no Martin blood or DNA on Zimmerman, which there would be if he was shot while straddling over Zimmerman. Blood would begin to flow and should be all over him.

If Martin was really banging Zimmerman’s head on concrete, there should be some fractures in the skull. Apparently there are no injuries consistent with multiple hard blows to the head.

Finally, the path of the bullet in Martin’s body is not possible from the position described, and really is only possible if both men are standing AND Zimmerman’s arm is extended straight. When you look at the bullet path inside TM’s body it is pretty clear that this was not a shot from underneath, which would be at an angle if events transpired as Zimmerman claims.

You can’t break the laws of physics/biology/chemistry – this is not a fictional world. The crime scene evidence completely destroys Zimmerman’s story, even before you get to issues like the timeline described vs the timeline recorded on the dispatch call, the lies about why Zimmerman exited the car -- to follow Martin, not to read house numbers which were right in front of him. Basically, nothing beyond the fact he shot Trayvon appears to be true.

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[jjotto]

lengthy BS does not mean it’s not BS

[Uncle Chip]

<>You are WRONG. There was no blood on the hoodie’s sleeves. They tested his hands too ... none there either.<>

That is not exactly what they say here:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/07/03/regarding-dna-hands-evidence-question-and-answer-from-prior-research/

The state, thanks to BDLR’s questioning of RZ on the 29th, has already admitted that TM had his hands over GZ’s mouth to try to shut him up. So if GZ’s DNA is/was not found on TM’s hands or his sleeve, then it is a reflection of the poor job of evidence gathering, preservation and testing by the SPD and /or the FDLE. GZ wasn’t supposed to gather and bag and preserve the crime scene evidence — they were.

They should have taken pictures of GZ’s injuries at the scene before medics cleaned him up, but they didn’t.

And that picture of that can of Arizona watermelon juice on top of the yellow tarp speaks volumes about the lax crime scene work done by Serino and crew. It should have been bagged and tagged instead of left out in the rain. It could have had GZ’s blood or DNA on the rim but they left it out and it was compromised.

They should have bagged TM’s hands but the didn’t and the rain washed away further evidence, though they did take scrapings under his fingernails and found none of GZ’s DNA under them, proving that GZ was not the aggressor.

They should have taken pictures of GZ’s injuries at the scene before medics cleaned him up, but they didn’t.

And remember when laying down on your back, blood from a broken nose flows back into the nasal passages, and blood from injuries to the head flow backward to the concrete.

Which raises the question as to why the police did not mark the part of the sidewalk where his head was being banged on it. They should have marked it and covered it and and tested for blood at that spot. But they didn’t.

It was raining that night so the SPD may have thought that the scene was compromised anyway, so no big deal. If there was an absence of evidence of GZ’s blood on TM’s hands, then it means that it was never tested for, the rain washed blood and DNA away, that he administered his beating in a way that limited the blood from getting on his hands or sleeves, and/ or the bleeding was limited to the back of the head that came into contact with the ground.

All the failures of the SPD have served to hurt GZ’s case. If anyone should be upset by the poor performance of the SPD, it should be team GZ. Their failures that night made proving his case a little harder —

BTW Your you-tube Papa should allow comments under his propaganda videos, then you wouldn’t get so upset when you’re misled by them.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Whatever, spotty star.

[Beach_Babe]

was he skipping class...

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Maybe, he must have been a C- student at best if he:

1. didn't go to the ER that night

2. didn't ask for a lawyer

3. didn't keep his mouth shut

4. did a re-enactment without a lawyer

5. lied to his lawyer

6. talked about money and passport hiding on jail phones he knew was recorded

7. let his wife lie for him on the stand

I’m sure I can go on, but the judge hit the nail on the head when he said that George should have known better with all his criminal justice background.

[Uncle Chip]

This should put your BS to rest:

http://www.bob-owens.com/2012/06/a-simple-answer-to-a-stupid-question-about-the-trayvon-martin-shooting/

http://www.bob-owens.com/2012/06/simple-answers-to-stupid-questions-why-didnt-trayvon-bleed-on-zimmerman/

BTW Gilbreath is full of himself. The body and the shell casing were both where they were supposed to be, per the witness statements and GZ’s.

[HiTech RedNeck]

It’s up to Zimmerman’s attorney — not Zimmerman — to correct the judge’s B.S. Which will occur in due time in a very withering appeal if the jury does not see through the judge’s B.S.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Spotty star bather, they hauled George into the station that evening. That makes it a bit difficult to go to an emergency room, does it not?

[Uncle Chip]

I’m sure I can go on, but the judge hit the nail on the head when he said that George should have known better with all his criminal justice background.

So then we are in agreement -- he wasn't manipulating the system to his own benefit.

He was naively cooperating with it when he should have been fighting it and making it harder for the investigators et al.

Thus the judge was thus wrong in his assessment. Right???

[Trailerpark Badass]

I've done what he's claiming dozens of times in training.

If you can't, well?

And unless the laws of gravity have been repealed, I don't know how blood is supposed to flow upwards.

He wasn't banging his head on the ground directly; Z's head was hitting the sidewalk everytime T punched him in the face.

None of your conjecture rings true to me.

How many street fights have you been in?

[HiTech RedNeck]

probably none, but she may have been in some bimbo fights on the beach

[HiTech RedNeck]

This lester molester sounds like an incurable cynic. George wanted to be helpful. Good deeds rarely go unpunished.

[Trailerpark Badass]

Well, I really should have asked if she's ever been on her back in a fight. Trying to say what could or could not have happened with tow people rolling around on the ground, fighting for their lives, is silly.

Also, Z shot him with one shot from a 9mm, not a howitzer. I don't know if sje's expecting gallons of blood, tissue and an exploded torso, but gun shhots don't always bleed so much. And dead bodies don't bleed at all.

And GSW analysis is a notoriously unreliable science. About the only meaningful info is where the entrance wound is. Once the projo breaks the skin, anything can happen.

Like I said, her musings sound like another internet expert pontificating on things she really doesn't know much about.

[HiTech RedNeck]

With rain washing over both, and the fight scene being investigated by keystone kops, it’s also not odd if DNA is hard to find.