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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Obamacare didn’t change the number of doctors, nurses, hospitals,so you may wait 3 months to see your doctor ( see Massachusettes now) and wait 2 years to see a specialist or get elective surgery.

Yep. With the inherent inefficiencies of government the only way to make kenyancare "work" is:

1) A Massive taxes increase on all (VAT, etc.)

2) lower standard of living (smaller houses, cars, etc)

3) lower quality health care (rationing, etc)

That is the only possible template and how they do socialized medicine in Europe. The idea that we can get all the goodies "free" is insane.

139 posted on 07/01/2012 9:48:00 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90
And that is really the bottom line. Who is paying for all of this, e.g., closing the donut hole for prescription drugs, "free" contraceptives and preventative services, no bar on pre-existing conditions etc.?

You don't increase the number of those insured by 30 to 40 million without adding additional costs, let alone saving money. And the government will be assisting many with supplements so they can afford health insurance.

We all know that this is the first step towards a single payer system. Obama has admitted as much. Employers will dump health insurance and pay the penalties, which are cheaper than paying for the insurance. People will be driven into government run exchanges, which will lead to higher and higher premium costs. Eventually, the private insurers will be driven out of business and voila, you have a clamor for a single payer system. The very fact that insurance companies can only offer programs that comply with government standards reduces flexibility and increases costs.

And even with more insured, access will decrease as hospitals and doctors must deal with more demand. Government will then restrict what services will be supported to reduce costs, i.e., the death panels. The liberals have been planning this for decades. Medicare and Medicaid took care of the poor and the elderly. The only piece left was the middle class. Once Obamacare is in place, the government will be running health care lock, stock, and barrel. And once you control health care, individual liberty is destroyed by Big Government.

Anyone watching PM time in the UK, understands how controlling the NHS is in terms of domestic policy and politics. The only discussion is about what benefits should be offered, not whether such decisions should be the province of government.

144 posted on 07/01/2012 10:24:11 AM PDT by kabar
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To: lodi90

the day the SCOTUS ruling came out I was walking with a neighbor and was having an energetic discusssion about the ruling. Another person was walking near us and smiled. He then said, “I’m very happy with the ruling.”

I said, “Really????”
He answered “Yes, I want our healthcare to be like it is in Sweden.”

I was not in the mood to have a normal discussion so I just yelled back” Sweden doesn’t have 12 million illegals to put on their healthcare! Sweden is a lot smaller than the US.”
and I walked away in disgust.


169 posted on 07/01/2012 1:59:14 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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