Posted on 06/30/2012 10:23:54 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
You can't tell me that any of those 5 scumbag justices actually believe that they voted according to our Constitution, or the way it's writers would have wanted. They want this, and they don't care about the Constitution. They can push things like this through easily and quick, something they could never dream of doing through amendments. It's time to tell them their ridiculous decisions have no meaning. There are some actual constitutional arguments that are valid, and not one of these obvious attempts to bypass the constitution with ridiculous arguments only used to give sympathetic political judges an easier path.
They are knowingly doing wrong. They can't play stupid. They aren't blind to the obvious anymore than us. It's just a matter of their view of government. After they have made their personal decision, without thought of the constitution, they think of the way they will justify it Constitutionally in a blatantly frivolous argument. They know as well as all of us Conservatives that many of the things they promote are unconstitutional. They just don't care.
Salve
Answer to all these is hedonism; not all; many think it will just go away, let other fights, doesn’t work that way. Only united.
Merci.
What does Win or Lose mean? If everybody follows your advice, we Lose and Obama Wins.
The only thing Tom Hoefling will have after this Election is a blip on his Resume that says he ran for President and received .000001% of the Vote.
Wish in one hand and spit in the other and see which one fills up first. That being said, it's your Vote to waste.
Salve
{So....what is the alternate plan to dismantle Obamacare?
You figure it out as one in one of your country. Only you together can hit it, if not, questions can be asked for centuries.
Merci.
Our preachers have sold their souls for the 501C3 tax exemption. All they preach is love, goodness, GIVING..No preaching about sin or Revelations..you just lost half the Bible. And the young do not learn what is right from wrong. As the Bible says right will become wrong, and wrong will become right...we are seeing that come to life before our eyes..it is what you get for voting for the lesser of 2 evils...you still get EVIL it just works slower.
The reality is, you're the one creating that reality.
The saving of the republic starts the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate. Not a moment sooner.
I agree.
I feel like I "win" when I can be proud of my vote.
I feel like I "lose" when I vote for something I don't believe in.
Salve
Truly I tell you as well, first apostles as well many others died for faith of Truth of God, for they stood in middle of nowhere, being ridicule and abstain from their rights. One thing they knew, One is One in One, and they knew under Holy Spirit grace, that in order to fight, you must make a choice. There is no grey friend, only yes or no.
Merci.
Excellent, now there a 2 of us!
Then candidates have to learn how to organize a campaign, raise their profile ,convince contributors..Running on the internet won’t do it.
Oops, I missed the word “October”, thus missing the entire point of your post.
I agree with what you are saying.
Maybe there’s a better way that you haven’t considered.
>> Do you think it appropriate to try to coerce people into violating their conscience?
Criticizing is not coercion. Nice try.
Romney is a crap shoot on Life. Obama is guaranteed Pro-Abort. So does your conscience prevent you from gambling too? You don’t think there’s any chance that Romney with both GOP Houses will sign anything positive into law? Are you that convinced he will legislate just like Obama? Is there any chance PP funding would be curtailed with the GOP controlling all 3 Houses? Is it really worth it to not take that chance, and consequently assist the Left by default?
A conscientious decision can look past personal repulsion if the outcome improves the odds on Life.
We need to take all 3 Houses if we hope to improve the situation. Not voting helps to make that improbable. Got conscience?
Salve
I agree Jim, but there is still some hope, you know. Not all is lost, according to what I am reading is 51 vote and that this has been not done right. You know more about this then I do.
As I have written, you need to have true conservatives in both Chambers in your Government then go after all those laws that jeopardizing your country. I know is not easy, but nothing is lost. Unless majority just give up to fight.
I don’t believe American people are willing to give up. I know many have wrote that Constitution is toilet now, well for politicians maybe, but not for you or many who love your country.
Keep your head high Friend, this is going to be hell of fight and you know this. Worst is, this apathy.
Merci.
Jim, this is an old, oft-repeated conversation, and you are deliberately not addressing the real issues of today.
I am not avoiding the truth. I am speaking directly and plainly. I'm afraid the same cannot be said about you.
It is almost certainly the case that either Romney or Obama will be President from 2013 to 2017. Between the two some prefer Romney, some prefer Obama, and some are genuinely indifferent.
I prefer Romney.
I am as smart, and well-informed, and realistic as just about anyone on this forum. I am well aware of the shape-shifting nature of our GOP nominee. But by my estimation America will be better served by a Romney first term than by an Obama second term.
Many on this site prefer that of the two, Obama win the election in November. I think this is likely your preference as well, but you have not chosen to state your preference.
Much of the campaigning for Obama that is being done here on FR these days is conducted in a way that I have thought to be irrational and dishonest. I have never found fault with anyone for preferring that Obama be re-elected in November, but I have objected strenuously to the unreason and falsehood contained in so many of the pro-Obama posts. Now, since the USSC Obamacare decision, we have the added elements of nihilism and despair in the mix. Well, I am opposed to these attitudes as well, and I forthrightly have said so and explained why on this thread.
The bottom line is that unreason, falsehood, nihilism, and despair are all perfectly antithetical to conservatism. Yet this once-conservative site is now a hotbed of these abhorent qualities.
It is still a good place to read the news, but there used to be an ethic of embodying conservatism, building community, and facilitating activism that is now lost. For example, since the USSC decision Thursday there has been a sharp upsurge in tea party movement activity nationwide, but not here on FR.
That is telling.
Unless one is delusional.
No, you don’t understand.
Romney, to this day, violates all of my my most important core non-negotiable principles.
He is a judicial supremacist, which means that he is anti-republican, anti-Constitution, and that his default position is in favor of the abortion status quo, which is abortion on demand.
He doesn’t believe what the founders of this free republic believed to be self-evident, or, to use the modern vernacular, as-plain-as-the-nose-on-your-face, that our rights are God-given and therefore unalienable. He thinks abortion should be decided by a vote of the people. In other words, he is, by definition, a pro-choice democrat.
And finally, his last fallback position is the moral equivalent of the Stephen A. Douglas Democrats, that states should decide whether or not they allow the killing of helpless, defenseless little boys and girls.
It prevents me from gambling with the self-evident truths of the republic's founding, the stated purposes of the Constitution, and its explicit, imperative requirements, yes.
But betting on Romney wouldn't be a gamble, it would be a sure thing. We already know what he will do, because his record, and his words right up until the present, tell us that plainly. That is, if we're honestly listening.
This is where you and I part company. I thought we were discussing MarkAmerica’s spiel that opened this thread, not discussing Romney at all.
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