[ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton]

Look at it this way. 0bama could care less about the rule of law so with a second term 0bamacare would have been implemented anyway.

Of course I think he’ll lose bigtime in the next election.

[Democrat_media]

Roberts,Obama and democrats have made all of us slaves.

I would rather die fighting than to live as a slave of these Democrat/Marxist bastards. May they rot in hell.

[navymom1]

As much as I want to be upbeat and positive, I’m not. I don’t believe life in this country is anywhere near as horrible, rotten, dispiriting, bleak as it needs to be in order for enough people to get off their lazy asses and do something about it. Things aren’t going to get any better for a long long time to come and maybe not in my lifetime. Sorry for the downer of a post, but at least I’m being honest.

[al_c]

Maybe Rush should have a chat with Krauthammer ...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-why-roberts-did-it/2012/06/28/gJQA4X0g9V_story.html

Roberts might just end up looking like the smartest one of the bunch by the time all of this is over. And now it’s in our hands. If we want Obamacare to disappear, we need to get him out of the White House and get control of the Senate. That done, Obamacare is as good as dead and the Dems can’t do anything about the things they gave away to Roberts for his vote.

[Twinkie]

Seeing that photo of Roberts with that crap eating grin on his face made my rear end want to take a drink of water,as Momma used to say. (mods may remove this; but,dang,it’s either vent or bust!)

It at least seemed to be a taunting crap eating grin to me. He has unleashed a tentacled monster of tyranny on us. He at least looks to be pretty priggishly satisfied with himself. Now, at least, Nancy Pelosi and Barack Hussein Obama luv, luv,luv,him - and he’ll never have to worry about Hussein chiding him in a speech again. . or will he? Obama’s pretty fickle.

[crusader71]

Is it possible for a President to elevate a sitting associate justice like Scalia to CJ, and demote Roberts to an associate justice position, or can that only be done in connection with a vacancy. If Romney had any stones, that is what he would do day 1 (after signing the repeal bill).

[gzzimlich]

Thank goodness. I was worried El Rushbo was going to come down on the side of those pretending Roberts had some sort of sneaky beaky “conservative” motive for this utter disgrace.

[DannyTN]

On the mandate I'm having a hard time drawing the line between the mandate and other tax incentives. It feels like it's crossed a line. But exactly what line?

What's the difference between this and say a tax credit for energy efficient home improvement?

Isn't a tax for failing to engage in commerce, exactly the same as a tax credit for engaging in commerce? The only difference being terminology and the alleged nominal tax rate?

Example: Lets say I make $10,000 and my tax rate is 20% so I pay $2,000. But there is a tax credit if I buy energy efficient windows of $400. So if I buy the windows I pay $1600 in taxes, and if I don't I pay $2000 in taxes.

Now reverse that and say there is a penalty for failing to buy energy efficient windows of $400. Let's also lower the nominal tax rate to 16% to more easily see they are the same. If I don't buy the windows I pay $1600+$400 penalty = $2000. And if I do buy the windows I only pay $1600.

So effectively a penalty for not engaging in commerce is exactly the same as a tax credit for engaging in commerce.

There are minor differences.

• If you aren't going to adjust the nominal tax rate, you'd much rather have a tax credit than a tax penalty. Because the penalty represents a tax increase to the nominal rate, whereas a tax credit is a decrease to the nominal rate.
• This is affecting everybody except those who have little or no income, whereas most tax credits are more limited in scope. But think of child tax credits, they are pretty wide spread. Nobody gets upset about those.
• Congress sold this as a penalty not as a tax increase.

I think the real issues are:

• There are things in Obamacare that are constitutional, but that we don't like, so we were hoping the mandate would save us.
• Congress had to literally threaten and bribe their own members to do this to us. So it's not your typical legislation drawn up by a representative congress.
• Congress wasn't even allowed to read it before passing it, a breach of trust that automatically should and does cast suspicion both on the legislation and those that voted for it.

Roberts kicked this back to the voters and said "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”

• It is in fact, their role to protect us from the consequences of our political choices if those choices choose to exceed the constitutional limits. It's why there were checks and balances. It's why a court exists.
• Roberts could have protected us from this legislation by simply relying on the clear assertion that this was not a tax.
• On the other hand, had he treated it consistently as a tax, we would have had to wait until 2014, for the court to rule.

Which brings up another point. Laws like the one that says the court can't consider the constitutionality of a tax until its paid, ought themselves to be unconsitutional.

• Clearly people suffer harm from such impending taxes. They ought to have standing.

[Cyber Liberty]

You know what makes me sick? This hate the sin, hate the sinner even more attitude around here WRT Roberts. I swear I’ve seen some of these same kind of comments coming from the lowlifes at DU.

[Stealth Ninja]

The states won their Supreme Court case. They do not have to abide by the law and add 50 million new people into their healthcare system, which would easily bankrupt a fair amount of them; nor can they be punished and lose their current gov Medicare funds, which Obamacare tried to steal from them via blackball extortion. So the 28 states that sued won, are already announcing no thanks, we can’t afford your bill and are not participating. Real soon, tens of millions of Obama voters in those states (half the country) will find out their “victory” is they have not obtained free healthcare, nor free insurance. All that has happened is they have been taxed by Obama...and if they don’t pay up their IRS refunds will be seized.

The individual mandate was tossed. If upheld and the bill allowed to stand, it would have been impossible to rescind. Obamacare passed using reconciliation. Now declared a tax, it only takes 51 votes using reconciliation to abolish the whole bill. Seeing as this single issue is what catapulted rep voters to the 2010 voting booth, (giving the dems the largest mid-term landslide in 78 years), this decision, combined with a lousy economy guarantees a blowout rep victory. Upon winning a rep majority senate, the bill will be repealed with 51+ votes early next year. All attempts to write a new one will be filibustered by dems. In the end, nothing changed other than a huge power shift in Washington, and the states will not go bankrupt via ballooning healthcare costs.

The losers? Tens of millions of working families will now lose their company healthcare. Avg healthcare cost is $12,800 per employee to companies. The Obamacare fine is $2,000 if you do not provide healthcare to employees. Countless companies in bad financial situations will use this opportunity to drop healthcare...for tens of millions of employees and their families. And for those families it will cost them far more the replace, without the company group rate. To these unfortunate Obamacare victims, they just had their take home pay cut by 25-35%, putting many in dire financial straits. In a short six months, people will realize the net result of this decision is fewer people now have healthcare, and Obama voters got taxed for nothing.

[uncbob]

Country is broke

This monstrosity will collapse for lack of funds

[combat_boots]

The Administration’s lawyer said in oral argument that they never considered the Constitution when writing 0bama Deathcare.

In effect, neither has the Supreme Court’s majority.

I am done with them. All of them.

As for the DOinJ, may I suggest, “get him, guys?” All of his minions and protectors. ALL OF THEM.

[Theodore R.]

Do you think GWB picked Roberts because he knew that Roberts would turn far left at a critical time?

[Spaulding]

Limbaugh asserted that no one predicted Roberts’ behavior. Not true. Many did, including myself last week. As long as pundits continue to assume the Emperor has cloths, continue to play along with the Alinsky’s 5th Rule - “ridicule is the most powerful weapon”), pretending that Chief Justice Marshall and Chief Justice Morrison Waite - Minor v. Happersett- didn't write their decisions confirming the common law, Republicans could gracefully escape political consequences of not vetting Obama in order to protect McCain, who was not eligible either.

Roberts, with difficulty, administered the oath of office to the president elect who told the whole world he was a naturalized citizen. Obama, this time, told the truth, but the political class had committed to the ploy, and were probably afraid to face the certain charges of racism if they honored Article II Section 1 - requiring a president to be a natural born citizen.

People have short memories, but the historical record, while assiduously scrubbed by progressive acolytes, will survive. After this generation of pundits and legislators disappears from the public sector some historian will note that Obama was our second ineligible president, after Chester Arthur. The difference between Arthur and Obama is that Arthur hid his naturalized status and his father's naturalization status - Arthurs’ father was Irish. Obamo told us all and the US Senate unanimously, including Obama, agreed in 2008, signing Resolution 511 sponsored by Clare McCAskill and Leahy, which includsd the testimony by Judge Michael Chertoff:

“My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,” Chertoff replied. “That is mine, too,” said Leahy.”

This was a political ploy to enable McCain to run by agreeing not to vet Obama. Nothing signed by Obama has constitutional validity, but both parties are complicit so neither dares to openly discuss it. Without an amendment to Article II section 1, Rubio is ineligible along with Obmaa and Jindal. It would take a different amendment to make McCain eligible, one like the bill Obama and Clare McCaskill tried but failed to pass in February of 2008, the ‘‘Children of Military Families Natural Born Citizen Act’’. Can anyone believe Obama and his campaign manager, Clare McCaskill, would sponsor a new law to make McCain eligible for no reason? SB 2678 would have needed to be turned into an amendment, but it was a worthwhile amendment. The children of military citizens not born on sovereign territory, McCain's problem, are not natural born citizens, but are naturalized citizens if born on incorporated territory. That is the law, for whatever little previous law seems to mean.

Roberts knew the law when he administered the oath to Obama. That established that Roberts was anything but an originalist. With Roberts on the court as currently constituted, there is a progressive majority. Roberts has a legal obligation to refer a felony to the appropriate authority. Obama solicited campaign contributions based upon his being eligible to become president, all the while describing himself as a naturalized citizen. Our government is established upon the ignorance of the public and the tacit agreement of both major parties to exclude the pertinent legal citations from the dialog.

[Eye of Unk]

I left the Jehovahs Witnesses when I was 16, some of my family is still in the faith. By some respects they can claim exemptions.

I may very well claim an exemption due to religious beliefs such as no blood transfusions. I would rather say I am a Witness than a Moslem any day of the week.

Also on my grandmothers side of the family she was a descendant of the Sioux Indian nation.

[Bookwoman]

And today we got a notice that our insurance company is asking for up to 20% increase on our health insurance because of increased costs. It has quadrupled in 4 years already not counting this. I am livid.