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To: ctdonath2

You are right, but there are possible unintended consequences.

An increase in amateur, DIY gunsmithing (from observing metalsmiths in action,it is not that difficult);a subsequent increase in interest in reloading. For those lacking ability or proper spaces, they simply become customers of private smiths/reloaders.

I have noticed that in the UK, people who are sentenced to death by NHS policy on drugs or treatment, can and do sue and can and do win. The same would happen here, if enough people are told FOAD. Those with income or assets would go the medical tourism route. The folks w/o assets would still have access through state provided coverage.

I have wondered how many small town/rural retired MDs would open private clinics.

I do not think that once the results of either policy become manifest, people would sit idly by and allow themselves to be disenfranchised or face death. It isn’t human nature.


64 posted on 06/27/2012 9:56:21 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: reformedliberal
You are right, but there are possible unintended consequences.

Here is a little story I wrote a few months back. I'm thinking about expanding it.

I've posted this many times before but what if somebody is denied healthcare under Bammycare? People naturally have spouses, children, siblings, friends, parents, grandparents, etc. depending on the age of the one denied. I would hate to be a member of a death panel making such a decision to deny. I'd stay out of dark allies, look under my car before starting it, keep my eyes out for shadows, and jump at every noise I hear at night. Is that noise I hear at 2:30 AM the neighbor's cat or is it Grandpa Jones' grandson, which I denied care to his granddad, with a posse of his friends armed with baseball bats and a shotgun? How about blocking the road in front of me, an old lady in a 1967 Caddy. Did she break down or is she the wife of the man who I denied a hip replacement to, waiting for me where as I step out of my car to help, the last thing I hear is a .45 going off just before St. Peter appears. It's 10 PM, my kid is late in coming home and the phone rings. How about this, what if I denied care to a Tony Soprano?

I know under the insurance companies, there are cases of denial but in a lot of cases, you can get the doctor and hospital to get them to reverse their decision or just go ahead and let the family pay for it and/or go on a charity case. Not so with the government, if you are denied, there is very little redress at all. Ayn Rand put in in a long monologue where it boils down to this, "the more laws you create, the more criminals you make" and when you eliminate the process and route where one can make a challenge to make things right legally, that leaves only one other way, revenge and/or at least forced coercion via illegal means. This is a pandora's box to be sure, people will do anything for their loved ones and for survival.

I remember Quark's quote from DS9 (Star Trek) about us humans, "Let me tell you something about humans, nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people will become as nasty and as violent as the most blood-thirsty Klingon."

I don't feel comfortable in visioning this scenario, but if we keep going on the present track, it will happen.

86 posted on 06/27/2012 2:32:55 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("People should not fear their government, their government should fear the people." - V for Vendetta)
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