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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin); rlmorel

So, let them attend Ranger School. They will fall out by your own admissions. It is imperative that the Military brass keep the standards. Now that may be more difficult than Ranger School. But that is a cultural/political problem.


340 posted on 06/16/2012 3:16:10 PM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Coulter, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. TY)
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To: Chgogal
So, let them attend Ranger School. They will fall out by your own admissions.

And how much would that cost? You don't seem to realize that training has a cost in time, resources, and money associated with it. Not to mention the males who may have passed that will not because they lost a slot to a woman who had no chance.

If one out of every 100,000 men under 6' tall could pass Ranger school, would you have a problem limiting Ranger school to 6' minimums? I wouldn't (and I'm under 6' tall). Because the cost of finding that one short guy who can will be waaaay more costly from weeding out the thousands who can't.

Besides, that really has nothing to do with it. Any society that allows its women to fight on the front lines when not faced with total destruction is a sick nation (morally, ethically, and spiritually). Period.

348 posted on 06/16/2012 3:44:23 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: Chgogal

Perhaps you and your feminist friends would like to pay for that failed experiment? Why should everyone else?


350 posted on 06/16/2012 3:50:34 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Chgogal; Hulka

I think you may know this on some level, but may not want to accept it. I understand why, and don’t think any less of you because of it, but what follows is the truth. (I apologize for the football analogy, but it fits perfectly)

There is a fatal problem with “let them attend Ranger School”. Hulka (who does engender a degree of authenticity on this thread, unlike some others who post here) illustrated this clearly in his post at #271.

This desire to have women attend Ranger School is not in any way, shape or form about maintaining or improving the qualities or capabilities of one of our military units.

The issue is completely and totally societal, cultural and political.

If this were the NFL, and people were agitating to have women play in the NFL, I would, without reservation, support giving them the chance.

The NFL is a merit based system in which steely-eyed capitalists will make decisions on who makes the team based on how competitive it makes their team and if it will improve their chances of winning a Super Bowl championship. Because cold, hard money is the bottom line, I have no expectation that someone will make a decision based on whether it is good or bad to have women playing NFL football, but instead on whether it makes the team better, and as a result, more profitable.

I would have no problem with this, because I know that the people responsible for making that decision would choose on the basis of merit, not diversity, political correctness, or because the NFL somehow decided that the lack of women in football stunts the career growth of women who work at non-athletic support jobs around the league.

But hulka knows, I know, and most people who look at this openly know, the process of having women attend Ranger School is not going to be merit based. There WILL be women who WILL attend Ranger School and will be passed ahead of men who will be more capable. THAT is the reality of the situation.

And I want the best. Not the best men and the best women, but the best. And that is not what will happen. I may be willing to accept that for some things, but when the outcome of the lives of our people and our country are on the line, I am not willing to compromise.

And that is only the issue of the physical capability of a given woman and whether that woman will be admitted ahead of a man on the basis of only her sex.

I also have serious logistical, cultural and sexual related issues which I have outlined in previous posts on this.


397 posted on 06/16/2012 6:23:28 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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