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To: Finny

Well, some are more active than others and some are linked through ping lists which encourage people to come on and make outrageous attacks and accusations.

Some will jump on occasionally to make a post and some come on a thread and just keep posting the same idiocy, some of it that annoying cut and paste stuff.

It is really sad and strange when a conservative (me) who has been here longer than anybody and who has always been conservative is viciously attacked because she is supporting Romney.

These people defend themselves by all sorts of weird mindsets about Romney and have convinced themselves somehow that he is worse than Obama.

Obama openly supports abortion (even late term), gay rights, socialism, higher taxes, a destructive EPA wich is killing our economy.

His administration doesn’t seem to have an honest person in it and some obvious criminals and many socialists.

This is a fact.

So why anyone would vote for him I can’t understand.

And it reeks of hypocrisy because none of them will admit they are voting for Obama, which it’s obvious that they are.

It’s totally weird. I’ve never said one non-conservative thing.


628 posted on 06/14/2012 4:03:42 PM PDT by altura
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To: altura; Elsie
It is really sad and strange when a conservative (me) who has been here longer than anybody

The Sage Of Free Republic. Everybody listen up now.

Lets have a real contest and see who has been on earth the longest. I vote for Elsie.

632 posted on 06/14/2012 4:08:07 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Obama versus Romney? Cyanide versus arsenic.)
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To: altura
And it reeks of hypocrisy because none of them will admit they are voting for Obama, which it’s obvious that they are.

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Prove it.

634 posted on 06/14/2012 4:10:45 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: altura
And it reeks of hypocrisy because none of them will admit they are voting for Obama, which it’s obvious that they are.

Poppycock! Pure strained poppycock.
636 posted on 06/14/2012 4:14:23 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: altura
And it reeks of hypocrisy because none of them will admit they are voting for Obama, which it’s obvious that they are.

You keep repeating that prattle with zero evidence or proof.

You also keep repeating you are a conservative but are happily promoting Romney who is: pro homosexual agenda, pro abortion, pro government mandates, pro taxing the wealthy more, pro welfare, pro government health care, anti conservative, anti Reagan, pro amnesty....no I am not going to provide links this information has been posted hundreds of times over the last five years.

This claim of yours that you are a conservative falls flat.

646 posted on 06/14/2012 4:29:58 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: altura; Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; aMorePerfectUnion; Godzilla; fishtank; ..
It is really sad and strange when a conservative (me) who has been here longer than anybody and who has always been conservative is viciously attacked because she is supporting Romney.

NAW...you are being singled out because FReepers don't like to be stalked...and having a "snitch" list is stalking, no doubt about it.

Bragging about having a "snitch" list is just plain stupidity.

BTW, Romney has taken this oath in the mormon temple numerous times....I suppose that's just fine with you.

You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in the Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion”.

Law of Consecration

http://www.ldsendowment.org/terrestrial.html

Mormon’s covenant to put the church before ALL things.


658 posted on 06/14/2012 4:41:25 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Until the 52K LDS missionaries claiming Christian faith is bogus quit, I will post LDS truth.)
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To: altura
When you mishcaraterize posters you lend yourself to the same wrong behavior. Not voting for Romney is definitely NOT a vote for Obama unless you cast your ballot that way. BY your flawed reasoning, not casting a vote for Obama is the same as casting a vote for Romney. Try and at least be honest and logical. ONLY a vote on a ballot cast for Obama is a vote for Obama. Perhaps what you're trying to say is that by not voting FOR Romney the voter is not canceling an Obama vote (legitimate or otherwise, since we expect a few million illicit votes to be cast for Obama by dead people, double and triple voters, etc.). Please, if you're going to continue to argue with freepers over the election, at least remain logical.

Now, let me illustrate the point. I will cat my vote for whichever Republican is the final nominee because I do not believe we will have free elections in 2016 if we allow the commie bastard to have four more years of his thugocracy, with goons like Eric 'the slickliar'Holder and the Sotomeyers and lesbian thugs like Kagan as SCOTUS nominees, with the complete collapse of the monetary system of America and planned decimation of the military. But that's just me. I will cast my vote in opposition to Obama so we the people may remove him from power. But if I were to vote for Virgil Goose or Tom Hoefling that would not be a vote for Obama, it just wouldn't be a vote for the Republican nominee.

689 posted on 06/14/2012 5:34:56 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: altura
When you mishcaraterize posters you lend yourself to the same wrong behavior. Not voting for Romney is definitely NOT a vote for Obama unless you cast your ballot that way. BY your flawed reasoning, not casting a vote for Obama is the same as casting a vote for Romney. Try and at least be honest and logical. ONLY a vote on a ballot cast for Obama is a vote for Obama. Perhaps what you're trying to say is that by not voting FOR Romney the voter is not canceling an Obama vote (legitimate or otherwise, since we expect a few million illicit votes to be cast for Obama by dead people, double and triple voters, etc.). Please, if you're going to continue to argue with freepers over the election, at least remain logical.

Now, let me illustrate the point. I will cast my vote for whichever Republican is the final nominee because I do not believe we will have free elections in 2016 if we allow the commie bastard to have four more years of his thugocracy, with goons like Eric 'the slickliar'Holder and the Sotomeyers and lesbian thugs like Kagan as SCOTUS nominees, with the complete collapse of the monetary system of America and planned decimation of the military. But that's just me. I will cast my vote in opposition to Obama so we the people may remove him from power. But if I were to vote for Virgil Goose or Tom Hoefling that would not be a vote for Obama, it just wouldn't be a vote for the Republican nominee.

692 posted on 06/14/2012 5:35:31 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: altura

Statement 1: “And it reeks of hypocrisy because none of them will admit they are voting for Obama, which it’s obvious that they are.”

Statement 2: “It’s totally weird. I’ve never said one non-conservative thing.”

For many conservatives, myself included, your Statement 2 is directly contradicted by your Statement 1.

How is it “conservative” to willfully misrepresent people you disagree with? Conservatism works because first of all it honors truth-telling. You can’t hang on to the timeless virtues, such as the reverence for life, the wisdom of constitutionally limited government, the honor of keeping faith with your allies, etc., unless you begin with honesty.

Yet what you have done, in a single stroke, is accuse everyone here who disagrees with you of intentionally saying one thing while thinking or believing another. You call it hypocrisy, but that’s exactly what hypocrisy is, an intentional misrepresentation of one’s true belief. Are you really ready to claim you know, with “divine” certainty, that everyone here who can’t or won’t vote for Romney secretly believes they are supporting Obama, but just won’t say so? Really?

I am slack-jawed with amazement. And here lil ol me thought I was just imitating my Savior by saying no to political power if gaining that power would injure my relationship with God. I must’ve missed the memo. Because if you say it’s so, then it must surely be the case that obeying God will give evil the win. Huh? Um, maybe that’s in my other Bible. Or not.

Point is, you can’t speak for the conscience of another person, no more than I can for you. Like Paul says, everyone stands or falls before their own master. I get that you’re having a hard time understanding why some here do not see the urgency of the situation the same way you do. But that really doesn’t give you the right to do the unconservative thing and bring false accusations. Defamation, manipulation through guilt and fear, isolating and freezing, these are tactics of the left. We are supposed to be better than that.

So, if you truly find it “weird” that some are questioning your conservative values, it might help if you back off the false accusations and the mind-reading. Conservatives, at least in theory, are more comfortable with respectful, truthful, rational conversation that actually gets at the root issues. Anything else just doesn’t “feel” conservative. Not to me anyway. Hence the weirdness.

For example, what I never seem to see (and my apologies if I missed it) is any ABO proponent attempting to show by logic and reason that maybe it is not a crime against God to voluntarily empower a teacher of brazenly anti-Christian falsehoods. But then again, maybe they know that’s not a winning argument, so they resort to peer pressure tactics, false accusations any reasonable person would resent. I don’t know. I’m not a mind-reader.

But I do know this. Such tactics do not work, they do not change minds, and they certainly do not advance either the cause or the timeless virtues of conservatism. We are deeply stressed among ourselves over the two towering evils set before us, but we really still need to support and understand each other, and find what common ground we can. I feel a Rodney King moment coming on ….


697 posted on 06/14/2012 5:41:05 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: altura

It is really sad and strange when a conservative (me) who has been here longer than anybody and who has always been conservative is viciously attacked because she is supporting Romney.

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If you are voting for Romney you are not a conservative, sign up date doesn’t mean much.


725 posted on 06/14/2012 8:50:45 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: altura

“It’s totally weird. I’ve never said one non-conservative thing.”

Oh? Really?

Then by all means, please explain how support for a man with the record Romney has and advocating his election is conservative.

Don’t give me the same old worn out ABO garbage. A conservative stands for something. The very statement “Anybody But...” is an affirmation that no principle, logic or reason occurs in the decision.

The bottom line is this. The very same people who now advocate for ABO will, when Romney wins (and I believe now he will) be right back here and other sites after the election taking ‘principled’ stands on a variety of issues. They will continue proclaiming their conservatism to the skies and think nothing of it. The fact that they wholly abandoned the very foundations of conservative philosophy will never occur to them as it does not occur to them now. Actually they are doing that already.

Now can you explain how your willingness to display situational ethics is ‘conservative’? Please.

I have posed this question on numerous Romney lovefests and have yet to get a straight answer. Lets see if anyone here can do it. Yourself included. And please, spare me the Obama boogieman. How do you vote for a man who is by his own actions, the very opposite of what you CLAIM you believe in?

It’s not complicated. Your ethics come with a caveat. You are willing to set them aside if the price is right. In this case, that price is Obama. You want to vote for Romney? That’s 100% your right. But please do not insult the intelligence of anyone capable of forming a logical thought with the claim that a person doing so is ‘conservative. You nay share many conservative beliefs. But when the chips are down on such a clear cut and defining issue, you stand with a liberal. Period.


743 posted on 06/14/2012 10:30:15 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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