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City to regulate "family worship" in private homes.
OCR ^ | 6-5-2012 | edcoil

Posted on 06/06/2012 10:41:32 AM PDT by artificial intelligence

The City Council gave the first of two approvals necessary to amend the law, agreeing to strike the terms "nonprofit, fraternal and religious" and define "church" as a "legally constituted religious organization for "public" and "family worship" of a deity or deities, together with buildings and uses that are accessory thereto and used for the teaching of religious dogma, accessory social functions and one single-family dwelling for use as a minister or caretaker residence."

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To: artificial intelligence

I hate when leftists call God a “diety” rather than the pius respect He deserves.


21 posted on 06/06/2012 11:09:52 AM PDT by JSDude1
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To: stephenjohnbanker

It is no one’s business what they are doing in the home. They are having people over. Unless they are noisy and blocking the road, it is not the business of the government or the neighbors what type of gathering they are having. People have weekly football parties that have as many people. Why not regulate that?


22 posted on 06/06/2012 11:12:00 AM PDT by tuckrdout ( A fool vents all his feelings, but a wise man holds them back. Prov.29:11)
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To: samtheman

That is a great idea!!


23 posted on 06/06/2012 11:13:07 AM PDT by tuckrdout ( A fool vents all his feelings, but a wise man holds them back. Prov.29:11)
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To: rwa265

” In reading the article, it looks like the change was made to accomodate the couple. “

Yes it does.


24 posted on 06/06/2012 11:13:31 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: JSDude1
They either (a) want to make sure they include deities other than God, or (b) are afraid they would melt like the witch in “Wizard of Oz” if they said “God”.
25 posted on 06/06/2012 11:15:42 AM PDT by Pecos (Constitution? Oh, you mean that thing we USED to have.)
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To: Digger

But, they are not getting ticketed for parking or being a nuisance, they were ticketed for holding a religious meeting in their home. They are not addressing the problems caused by the meeting but the meeting itself; trying to regulate what these folks do in their own home.


26 posted on 06/06/2012 11:20:14 AM PDT by tuckrdout ( A fool vents all his feelings, but a wise man holds them back. Prov.29:11)
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To: Digger
... If I had parties each week with that number it would be no different. ...

True. There's a reason some areas are zoned "residential". They're intended to be an area where people "reside", not an area to operate a business, church, night club, etc.

An occasional large get-together at a neighbor's home is not a big deal. It becomes a problem when you regularly have so many people over that residents as well as emergency vehicles have trouble getting through the street.

27 posted on 06/06/2012 11:20:53 AM PDT by ken in texas (I was taught to respect my elders but it keeps getting harder to find any.)
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To: ken in texas
True. There's a reason some areas are zoned “residential”. They're intended to be an area where people “reside”, not an area to operate a business, church, night club, etc.

An occasional large get-together at a neighbor's home is not a big deal. It becomes a problem when you regularly have so many people over that residents as well as emergency vehicles have trouble getting through the street.

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A home bible study does not make the home a church. This is simply friends gathering in the Lords Name.

About the street? The street is public. If parking is allowed on the street, then as many vehicles as can easily and legally park on it may do so.

If the parking causes congestion such that emergency vehicles can not pass through, then the City ought to put up “no parking” signs.

I'm not saying I'd like the situation myself, but law abiding people should be left alone and the rest of us (myself included) need to Get Over It.

28 posted on 06/06/2012 11:29:38 AM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: JSDude1

A leftist will call God a ‘diety” often as not because he never learned to spell “deity.”


29 posted on 06/06/2012 11:34:19 AM PDT by arthurus ( Read Henry hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson")
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To: samtheman

“What we need is a law”

Smartass! :)


30 posted on 06/06/2012 11:37:29 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ("We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." - Franklin)
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To: KittenClaws

” A home bible study does not make the home a church. This is simply friends gathering in the Lords Name.

About the street? The street is public. If parking is allowed on the street, then as many vehicles as can easily and legally park on it may do so.”

Correct. 50 people is a lot though : )


31 posted on 06/06/2012 11:44:34 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: KittenClaws
... The street is public. ...

It may be accessible to the public, and parking on the street may be permitted for residents and occasional guests, but it was built to allow passage of vehicles. Whether they are gathering in the LORD's Name or not is irrelevant.

I assure you, I'm over it. I just hope if I need an ambulance it can get to my home quickly, unlike the one that came into our neighborhood last year and had to reverse direction and take an indirect path because it couldn't get through.

32 posted on 06/06/2012 11:53:53 AM PDT by ken in texas (I was taught to respect my elders but it keeps getting harder to find any.)
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To: Digger

There is a church in my neighborhood that the Archdiocese of Boston closed. It was an Italian neighborhood church that people walked to. It was sold to a Haitian Church of which 90% of its members do not live in our city. You cannot drive down the narrow streets all day on Sunday and well into the night. Fire Engines can’t make the turn on them either. Big pain in the ass.


33 posted on 06/06/2012 11:56:35 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Red Badger

Yeah. Let’s throw in the right to bear arms.

Maybe we should make a list of 10 or so things that no free people should be without.


34 posted on 06/06/2012 11:59:15 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: samtheman
What we need is a law, maybe at the national level, guaranteeing the free exercise of religion and the right of people to peacefully assemble.

Then make it a part of the Bill of Rights, too?

35 posted on 06/06/2012 12:45:10 PM PDT by the_daug
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To: KittenClaws

If the find the family it has legal recourse to get the money and if they want increase the fine. I don’t see anywhere in the story where the government can define family worship in a home or anywhere else.


36 posted on 06/06/2012 12:47:13 PM PDT by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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To: massgopguy

That’s not a church issue. That’s a government issue. They need to post No Parking signs and tow.


37 posted on 06/06/2012 12:50:48 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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Doesn’t anyone care “what the neighbors might think” anymore? We had a much more civil society when we did.

These people aren’t running a bible study; they’re running a church in a residential neighborhood with events twice a week and calling it a bible study.

There are good reasons you can’t operate a Starbucks in your garage. Chief among these is your neighbors won’t like it. Traffic. Parking. The fact that they bought in a single-family home residential neighborhood, not downtown in a business district.

What ABOUT the rights of the neighbors to live in peace on a street with no businesses? Where they bought? That’s what zoning laws are for. Why do churches think they should be exempt?

By the way, a home in my neighborhood was turned into a church/mosque/synagogue (doesn’t matter which). It’s ruined the lives of the neighbors, who would love to get the hell out, only they can’t sell their houses.

Oh, but religious freedom would be in danger if there were sensible limits on on what people want to do regardless of the wishes of the community. Sure.


38 posted on 06/06/2012 9:14:24 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: stephenjohnbanker

If the same 50 people were having a group orgy, they’d pass laws to protect that.


39 posted on 06/06/2012 9:26:32 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useless and useful idiots.)
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To: Blue Ink
It's all "my rights," and precious little "it's my responsibility."

I wonder what kind of gospel they're hearing when it comes to their neighbors, the ones they actually have right next door, not the ones they "like" that live across town.

40 posted on 06/06/2012 9:29:11 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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