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To: piytar

You really just don’t get it do you.

First of all the 50% number is completely arbitrary. Why is it important to say half? Mathematically it is irrelevant. It is just a milestone. When that milestone is reached is just a matter of human habit.

It could just as easily be a Kilowatt hour number - but that would be meaningless to most people.

The point of the article and my point to begin with is that a low-carbon power system is clearly possible and Germany is leading the way.

I suppose your point is to say that it isn’t possible, but you have provided absolutely no basis for this whatsoever. Just unsubstantiated statements and a frequent use of profanity. Feel free to read my tagline in that respect.


28 posted on 06/04/2012 3:36:57 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Using profanity gives people who don't want information from you an excuse not to listen.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
The point of the article and my point to begin with is that a low-carbon power system is clearly possible and Germany is leading the way.

Germany's low end energy intensive industry has been outsourced to China. Remaining industry does well adding value per unit of energy (e.g. high end cars). Germany helps China with "clean" coal technology. This is their greenspeak for adding billions of tons of CO2 emissions to the world while pretending that they are combatting global warming. Meanwhile our stupid moron of a president has been shutting down coal electric plants so instead we export that coal to Germany to use in their coal electric plants (about an 8x increase).

The solar power contribution that you keep touting was only possible due to the 50 cent per kWh subsidy now being lowered to 20 cents. That was basically a tax on poor people to pay their rich neighbors so those neighbors could pretend to save the environment (and make money). The average household pays about 22 cents per kWh, double our rates. But being crowded into apartments with the heat set to 60 degrees is the German people's choice, although not mine.

31 posted on 06/04/2012 4:24:27 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

From my casual perusal, 50% was achieved at one time on a Saturday. The math done by your “opponent” Piyar is far more convincing. Can you counter it. Do you understand it?


34 posted on 06/04/2012 4:44:17 AM PDT by neocon1984
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Um, I got the 50% number from you. Apparently you thought it was important, and now you turn around. Typical when arguing with “greens.”

And as far as more math goes, have you ever looked into the energy balance of manufacturing solar panels - most of which are made in China using very inefficient processes - versus their lifetime output? Short version: it’s better than break even using the best processes, but not the ones used in China. And we can also get into the industrial polution issues, but why bother? I’m sure they don’t matter, right?

All your “green” energy does is suck up money to relocate fossil fuel energy use to one of the dirtiest fossil fuel burning nations on the planet. One that generally doesn’t bother with “clean coal.”

I don’t think there’s much question who doesn’t “get it.”


40 posted on 06/04/2012 10:56:27 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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